Wine Glass in the water


Hey does anyone know the significance of the wine glass in the water?


"Gee I wish we had one of them doomsday machines, Stainesy"

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Kind of a fragile object. Tipped over. Caught in the stream of running water. Doesn´t look like a good omen, does it? And stressing the fleeting nature of everything.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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oh okay thanks!

"Gee I wish we had one of them doomsday machines, Stainesy"

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Looked to me like a symbol of man ruining nature...the water will always be dangerous now because of broken glass.

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That's fine, and I may be wrong, but the wine-glass looked intact to me.

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I saw it as careless people who had no concern for anything but their own interests.That was an expensive wineglass,and probably part of a set. When gere drops it, Aby says, "oh don't worry about it" Implying that there's more where that came from. She showed no respect for the property of the farmer, and all he had worked for, this was evident in the way she threw food away. As some one who had previously been poor, one would have though she would have known better. At the end they were two people who just didn't just care. I detested the pair of them and found them to be quite narcissistic in nature, and morally deficient. I'm quite sure the Gere character would have killed the farmer by shooting him, if the timing had been better. After everything they had been through the way Aby just dumps linda in the end, when she can clearly afford to care for her, is the sign of a character with a strange moral compass IMO.

ok, im ready now!

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Great comment, thanks!

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Several:

. something dangerous lurking below the surface
. relationship is on the rocks
. mans abuse of nature





"In this world, a man, himself, is nothing. And there ain't no world but this one."

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Hi,
It's very resonant of this poem by Thomas Hardy. I don't know whether it's deliberate, but the scene in the movie immediately threw up this association. Given how erudite Terence Mallick is, it wouldn't surprise me if it's deliberate.

Matt



Under the Waterfall

'Whenever I plunge my arm, like this,
In a basin of water, I never miss
The sweet sharp sense of a fugitive day
Fetched back from its thickening shroud of gray.
Hence the only prime
And real love-rhyme
That I know by heart,
And that leaves no smart,
Is the purl of a little valley fall
About three spans wide and two spans tall
Over a table of solid rock,
And into a scoop of the self-same block;
The purl of a runlet that never ceases
In stir of kingdoms, in wars, in peaces;
With a hollow boiling voice it speaks
And has spoken since hills were turfless peaks.'

'And why gives this the only prime
Idea to you of a real love-rhyme?
And why does plunging your arm in a bowl
Full of spring water, bring throbs to your soul?'

'Well, under the fall, in a crease of the stone,
Though precisely where none ever has known,
Jammed darkly, nothing to show how prized,
And by now with its smoothness opalized,
Is a grinking glass:
For, down that pass
My lover and I
Walked under a sky
Of blue with a leaf-wove awning of green,
In the burn of August, to paint the scene,
And we placed our basket of fruit and wine
By the runlet's rim, where we sat to dine;
And when we had drunk from the glass together,
Arched by the oak-copse from the weather,
I held the vessel to rinse in the fall,
Where it slipped, and it sank, and was past recall,
Though we stooped and plumbed the little abyss
With long bared arms. There the glass still is.
And, as said, if I thrust my arm below
Cold water in a basin or bowl, a throe
From the past awakens a sense of that time,
And the glass we used, and the cascade's rhyme.
The basin seems the pool, and its edge
The hard smooth face of the brook-side ledge,
And the leafy pattern of china-ware
The hanging plants that were bathing there.

'By night, by day, when it shines or lours,
There lies intact that chalice of ours,
And its presence adds to the rhyme of love
Persistently sung by the fall above.
No lip has touched it since his and mine
In turns therefrom sipped lovers' wine.'

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Thanks for sharing this poem.

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Probably something pretentious, like love or human life being fragile in a stream of things happening around it. You could apply it to literally anything.

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Is it not kind of foreshadowing Richard Gere going face first into the water.

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Why "probably something pretentious" ?????

You poor wretch. You don;t deserve to watch movies as beautiful and rich as this.

Beauty for its own sake is a gift--it doesn't need reasons.

Some of us are grateful for the risk-takers like Malick, generous, and wise, asking nothing of us but an open mind, which patently not everyone in the audience has.

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"Beauty for its own sake is a gift--it doesn't need reasons."

That's a terrible example. Every work of art is created for a reason.

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No, it's not !!! I don't know a single artist who knows--or who is even much interested in knowing-- the "why" of their work. It springs from an inner, singularly enigmatic source : an aesthetic instinct. If it didn't work for you, fine. I felt the image was one of the more poetic and subtle in the film, presaging ruin, frailty (i.e. the breaking of the glass in Jewish weddings), wild nature vs. man-made luxury, the passing of time, and alchemy-- relating to the the forge. These effects do not work because of "reasons", they work due to allusive resonance.

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Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking about this poster and many of the others who hated the film because there "wasn't enough dialogue," "wasn't enough action," etc. I guess all such bits of business in film, and by extension in all literature, must be "pretentious," or something.

I thought the wine glass was a nice little image that could be seen as indicating the kind of out-of-place-ness or intrusion of the Gere and Adams characters (and the girl as well), along with the potential danger from such a clash. If it also foreshadowed Gere's death, and it well might have, this is in harmony rather than in conflict, since it's also true that a violent death in a stream is not a natural or "in-place" kind of thing. In this case, wrongness lived ends up as wrongness in death.

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I thought the wine glass/water was a foreshadowing of the unraveling of their "days of heaven:" It was a beautiful object that once held wine, associated with abundance and merriment. But that object now has been lost in a fast moving stream that carries everything away with it.

However, I enjoyed a lot of the other intrepretations, apparently the ones that mention the shot echoes Bill's death in the river.

I agree that Malick is not everyone's cup of tea and isn't meant to be. But this remains one of my favorite films and I think one of the most beautiful ever made. It was interesting to hear on TMC last night, when they showed this movie, that Manx's voiceover narrative was added later, as it was thought the film was too disjointed otherwise.

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I also saw it as a foreshadowing, but of pain and bloodshed.

A danger created by Bill, in the river they all shared, which he recklessly leaves to fate.

Or the glass is a beautiful object(Abby), which he carelessly drops and loses.

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