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Red swastika on SS Soldier's jock apparently too shocking for us to see!


While getting undressed with Nancy in her bedroom upstairs at the Harrington's, young Hessen (SS Soldier) is finally wearing nothing but a jock with a large bold red swastika covering the entire pouch. When she looks over and sees he looks down at it and chuckles inhaling while doing so.

I saw this outstanding movie in the movie theater when originally released back in 1978 and remember the scene to this day. Yet anyone who didn't have that same opportunity will never know the scene ever existed--being the most chilling part of any kind of censorship.

This scene shouldn't have been censored. It really drove home the point just how gung-ho the young German SS Officer was, being precisely why it was included in the original script in the first place!

What mindless unnecessary and unwarranted censorship by the MPAA. It's downright offensive they have such power to make things go-away they dislike or find the least bit offensive.

If it weren't so chilling it'd actually be funny--anyone could possibly believe they have the right to alter history and make anything they dislike like go away for all eternity.

Such efforts demonstrate with sobering clarity just how readily our government would censor the brain's very contents if within their ability to do so.

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You're confusing it with Malcom McDowell's swastika jockstrap in The Passage.


"Security - release the badgers."

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Although indeed a fan of Malcolm McDowell I've never yet seen his movie entitled "The Passage" so can't be
confusing the two movies. But I'll make a point of watching it posthaste since you've considerately brought it
to my attention.

The scene described in my original post regarding "Boys from Brazil (1978)" existed in the original R-rated
motion picture back when originally released in movie theaters. But it was subsequently censored from DVD
transfers to the best of my knowledge.

There's a decent chance it may have been left intact on the latest BluRay release which is supposedly an
uncut edition. That disc's back cover declares the movie length as being 118 minutes but is actually 124
minutes according to blu-ray.com.

The original "Boys from Brazil (1978)" VHS tape edition should also have the scene intact. It's downright
shocking just how many scenes have been censored into oblivion with the lion's share of DVD transfers as a
consequence of current rating standards.

The ratings system was radically overhauled to conform with a wave of extreme conservatism which swept
the country back during the 1980's when Ronald Reagan was elected to office. As a former actor and
arch-conservative Reagan believed movie content had become far too permissive and needed to be reined in.

Movie content and ratings were profoundly more relaxed back during the 1970's and 1980's than they are
today as those of us who were around back then can attest to. This is where original commercial VHS tapes
have great value particularly if you're not an avid fan of nanny government intervention and censorship. But
even they didn't come into mainstream existence until the mid to latter 1970's.

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Sorry, never happened. I've seen the original print (on film reel) and it was never in there. Not in the uncut version either. You're just wrong.

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I haven't any doubt the rendition you saw didn't contain the scene and most humbly take your word for it. But you aren't in any position whatsoever to know what someone else has witnessed let alone brazenly declare they didn't. There are dozens of renditions involved in early test screenings only a limited number of viewers ever get to see. I greatly appreciate your input and personal experience regarding the version you saw.

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Shattered_Wake. You haven't any possible way of knowing the specific print of this movie I saw back when originally released in the movie theaters. Other IMDB members have since confirmed the release they saw had one or more similar scenes censored as compared to the 1978 original theatrical release.

In your IMDB review of "The Haunting Hour (2010)" posted 05-14-2012 you divulged, "I'm 24 years old so I'm not exactly this show's target audience."

Considering you weren't even born until a full decade after "The Boys from Brazil (1978)" was originally released you haven't any right let alone authority to comment on something I personally witnessed back before you existed!

The fact you never saw the scene I've described and never will doesn't surprise nor bother me in the least. It's entirely your own loss although severely compounded by unfounded denial of historic knowledge an elder was unselfishly attempting to give you the benefit of.

Based upon the above incongruity it's exceedingly doubtful and severely strains any reasonable degree of credibility you ever "saw the original print on film reel" as claimed. Your vacuous comment posted here and revealing IMDB member profile "Author's blessing" prologue have all the classic earmarks of a forum troll.

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Any supposed censorship would not be on the part of the MPAA because I just watched this on the UK blu ray which would have nothing to do with the MPAA.

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Thanks for confirming the scene and footage is also absent from the BluRay rendition! I'm not the least bit surprised considering BluRay's far more recent history relative to the original release date of this film.

The censorship I've asserted relative to this film occurred toward the end of Ronald Reagan's 8-year rein during the 1980s. Reagan believed the industry had gotten far too lax regarding what he considered to be explicit content. The movie era he performed during was very prim, proper and prude.

Using his power of office and past connections in the movie industry he managed to get radical changes passed within the MPAA. It reached even further beyond the movie industry into the entirety of US television programming content for the first time in American history.

As a direct consequence of those regulation changes tons of original footage got cut from film reels in the vaults for no other reason than because Reagan found it personally offensive. Of course, the actual censorship regarding any archived films occurs at the time they're digitally scanned for transfer to DVD and BluRay.

Such footage remains preserved only in the memories of those of us who originally viewed it before being censored into oblivion.

There must be at least a few VHS and BETA cassette copies that remain intact as they predate the censorship ratification by several years. I owned a copy myself for many long years.

In fact, Boys from Brazil (1978) was the very first VHS movie I ever purchased along with American Gigolo (1980) starring Richard Gere being the second. They cost $20 each. I recall vividly because I was a college student back then and didn't have much money to spend on such things.

In all honesty, I'm tired of arguing the point to younger people who are easily deceived by any such censorship considering it occurred in this particular case well before they ever existed. They're unqualified to comment with any degree of authority regarding the subject on that basis alone.

Such innocents haven't any way of knowing what they never witnessed because they weren't even yet conceived. That is as unqualified as one could possibly get! So far as they're concerned any such censored footage never existed. Reagan slyly knew this would ultimately be the case.

Eventually all memory that such content ever existed will perish along with those who witnessed otherwise but subsequently unable to prove it because all tangible evidence has been purged. That is the genuine danger of censorship being why devoted historians and librarians so passionately despise it.

Those of us who are older and witnessed such scenes as the one I spoke of know better. Believe what you may. Unfortunately with humans seeing is believing. Out of sight is out of mind. And for many, completely out of existence.

Ironically, this very point is precisely why Adolph Hitler specifically used the youth of Germany to successfully progress as far as he did. They are the most pliable and easily deceived where history's concerned particularly that which predates themselves.

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Sorry but I agree with other people--there's no such scene in the movie. I saw it up a theatre in 1978 and I think I would remember that! And don't blame the MPAA for DVDs being censored. It's the studio that releases them not the MPAA.

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Now that I think it about it there was one sequence edited--the fight between Oliver and Peck. I distinctly remember a scene of Peck biting Olivier's ear but it wasn't on the DVD or cable version I saw.

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I just watched a 1999 produced Artisan edition of it on DVD and the ear biting scene was included. That's strange that your DVD didn't have that scene. What would be that idea behind cutting it?

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It was cut out of the cable TV print too! My guess is that the scene is in such incredibly bad taste that they removed it. I was more than a little horrified when I originally saw it. Seeing two respected actors doing that...YUCK!

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Preppy-3. Please prove with certainty to everyone's satisfaction the scene you described was indeed cut before its broadcast on CATV. That task isn't so easily accomplished, is it? Perhaps even downright impossible at this much later date in history.

The physical evidence required to prove your assertion regarding the CATV broadcast no longer exists. Had you made a recording of the broadcast and produced it now even then a substantial number of others would still deny what you said occurred. They'd argue you later altered the recording to coincide with and support your assertion.

The reason being they didn't personally witness what you did for themselves hence from their own vacant perspective it never genuinely occurred at least for any of them. They could swear to that belief on the Holy Bible in court before a judge and be telling the absolute truth from their own limited vantage point. But an incomplete truth where the most strategic facts are absent or intentionally withheld is equally damaging as any bold faced vicious lie.

The fact remains a number of such premises and occurrences in history must be accepted solely upon faith particularly on any occasions they predate one's own existence. Hopefully these illustrations have given readers a far deeper appreciation and understanding of the position I've been trying my utmost to defend within this thread.

Providing even a single quantity of physical evidence definitively proving something exists is a lead pipe cinch while proving its reverse in the absence of any is exceedingly difficult if not impossible. This is an inherent chilling danger of censorship.

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OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. I think you're overthinking (and overreacting) to this. This is not some important big work of art. It's just a movie and MANY movies have been cut or edited over the years. I just know what I saw. You don't have to agree or disagree with me.

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Preppy-3. Just so the matter's entirely clear I completely believe the scene mentioned was indeed cut before its broadcast on CATV just as you personally witnessed and reported. It appears from your reply you've totally missed the illustration and underlying point I was attempting to make. The fact remains you weren't able to prove your assertion at this later point in history when challenged to do so.

Demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt something once existed but was later destroyed is nearly impossible to accomplish because the empirical evidence required to prove that assertion no longer exists.

Destroying or altering any part of the factual historical record whether it be scenes from a movie or evidence from a murder trial is unarguably wrong, dangerous and nefarious no matter how seemingly noble or altruistic the original intentions for doing it were. The overall scope and thrust of this point regards censorship of all movies not just this one in particular.

The MPAA movie rating system obviates any justifiable reason to continue censoring content at this point in history.

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Just saw it again on basic cable and the ear biting scene is there. Any chance you saw it on tv and the scene was cut for time constraints?

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Mikeadams110,don't even bother "arguing the point with younger people". As a fellow movie buff, I too recall that scene as I saw the film in Times Square when it was released in NYC theaters back in late '78. Editing movies (esp. classics like these)is a major practice nowadays, so as you mentioned, we both lucked out when we caught BOYS FROM BRAZIL on the ORIGINAL 1978 big screen! I was 14 but pretty bright for my age (as where most kids of our generation) and with the R rating, my uncle accompanied me, as he was an avid history buff like myself. The majority of young movie goers today are complete mindless imbeciles (akin to today's movies, which, 90% of them, are COMPLETE TRASH, supplemented by the pathetically-sorry shape "talentless" Hollywood is in today). As a fellow movie buff, my advise to you is:DON'T WASTE YOUR BREATH on the low irrational IQs of today!

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Wow. It took nearly 4 years waiting for someone to come along and confirm what I remember watching. You're absolutely right mate. Gen-X, Y and millennials are all too happy and eager to swallow what our government and official sources such as Wikipedia tell them. They accept it as Gospel without question.

You and I remember what we saw on the big screen back when this movie was originally released. In all honesty, I could care less who believes what we give them the benefit of knowing. The best we can do is share what we know and personally witnessed. Still, it's outrageous and almost comical how those who weren't even born back when this movie first came out attempt to tell us we didn't see the scene described in exacting detail and no way could it have possibly existed simply because they never saw it.

At least a small handful of young people have been reasonably open-minded and receptive to the possibility the scene described was originally in the movie. I know darn well it was because just like you I witnessed it when the movie was originally released. It's not a scene you'd easily forget or invent out of thin air in your mind.

It's stunning how easily deceived and gullible the younger generation is. Ironically, Adolph Hitler knew this fact and played it to his fullest advantage.

The most chilling part of all this is how completely convinced the lion's share of younger people are the scene described never existed for no other reason than it no longer does today. They just don't get what censorship is and how devastating it's effect on history can be. Apparently 1984 is no longer required reading in High School.

Hopefully a vintage uncensored VHS copy will eventually surface on eBay. Thanks again for so generously having shared your personal recollection and insight.

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You are very welcome, mikeadams110, and it is always a pleasure discussing old films and, simultaneously, old times as well with intellectual folks like yourself! :-)

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It could have been the swaztika or the camera shot of his genitals (erect?) that caused the scene to be cut. They don't like showing men's crotches on TV/film anymore, so it wouldn't shock me if a prude distribution company thought BOB would be less marketabile if it were left in?

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Are you sure there was such a scene? It wouldn't make sense for Hessen to wear such a thing.

Unless he was much less intelligent than he looked, he would never have exposed that element of himself to a free-thinking liberal English girl. He would have been parlaying his image to seduce her and that would have been a violation of it.



The Fabio Principle: Puffy shirts look best on men who look even better without them.

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Venus-25. Thanks for being open to the possibility this scene I've described in detail once existed but has since been unduly censored into oblivion. In fact, I remember with great clarity to the point of being able to replay it back from memory. I wouldn't have any reason to conjure it up or otherwise alter the original theatrical release seen.

It's really disturbing and downright shocking how utterly convinced the overwhelming majority of young people are this scene never existed solely on the basis it no longer does. So eager to accept the endless plethora of scenes mindlessly censored into oblivion and lightning quick to condemn any elders who'd provide the benefit of what they personally witnessed of history.

The far-reaching destructive power of any media censorship and its everlasting consequences are profoundly serious concerns to rightly be feared and condemned. Many authors throughout the passing centuries have foretold of and voiced these very same concerns. Unfortunately some things never change.

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Hi Mike,

I believe what you are saying about the scene. Was the ear-biting sequence also included? I wonder if this was at a per-screening, before the general release? The director could have gone back before the widespread release, and trimmed those two scenes so very few people remember them?

Do you recall the theater where you first saw The Boys From Brazil?

Joe

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Yes, I remember the ear biting scene every bit as vividly. Both scenes were obviously included by the writer to have great emotional impact upon viewers as was intended. I know they certainly did for me.

You've just helped me recall another scene which has also since been censored into oblivion.

As originally mentioned and being this thread's topic, shortly after the young German SS officer Hessen goes up to Nancy's bedroom at the Harrington's home, we see him undressed wearing only a jock with red swastika covering its entire front pouch. The scene ends with viewers witnessing Nancy alone dead in her bedroom strangled by Hessen's belt. He had sex with and then killed her. After all these years I still haven't quite worked-out what his reasoning was for having done so.

Certainly it's not a pleasant nor pretty scene but was included in the script for good reason and impact. Sadly, so much footage has since been needlessly censored from the original movie what remains no longer accurately reflects the author's original intent. Knowing how angry the omissions and tampering has made me I can only begin to imagine the anxiety it's caused him.

Getting back to the original topic and in answer to your second question. My folks took me to see "The Boys from Brazil (1978)" for my 17th birthday. It was the first R-rated movie I was of proper age to attend. But yes, it was unquestionably one of the movie's earliest debut theatrical releases actually seen in 1977 prior to its official release date.

In answer to your last question, yes, I definitely remember the movie theater also. It was within 15 minutes walking distance from my parent's home called "Community Movie Theater" located just right of the Barclay Farm shopping center on Route 70 in Cherry Hill NJ.

The building's still there but oddly enough was converted into a Dry Cleaning store which always impressed me as such an odd unexpected transition. The Community Movie Theater was originally built back when my elder sister and I were just 7 and 8 years old. Two Chicorelli brothers both classmates of mine from high school eventually worked as ushers at the theater during their latter teenage years.

So you're aware, my mother always did her weekly grocery shopping at an Atlantic & Pacific (A&P) supermarket located at the Barclay Farm Shopping Center which was in business at that location for over 30 years.

Before shopping she'd drop us off at the movie theater which ran Saturday morning and afternoon double-features just for kids. Admission was just $2.50 per kid as I recall. What an affordable bargain and ideal way of keeping your kids entertained for a 4 hour stretch. Such weekend matinees for children were something all move theaters customarily did back then. Undoubtedly, this being a throwback to the days predating television which sadly for kids today has became a thing of the past since the early 1970's.

All of this brings back intense nostalgic memories of the drive-in movie theaters everyone so commonly frequented back during the 1950's and 1960's. Those being yet another irreplaceable spectacular form of entertainment from the past which no longer exist. Life sure was a whole lot better and far more enjoyable back then compared to now in so many different ways.

Thanks for asking such interesting thought provoking questions and fond memories which have just now resurfaced, Joe. You've revived scores of joyful experiences and events which had since gone dormant for so many long decades.

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"But yes, it was unquestionably one of the movie's earliest debut theatrical releases actually seen in 1977 prior to its official release date."

Considering the movie didn't close production until March of 1978 and had its first showings in the fall of that same year, it's pretty amazing you not only got a sneak preview of the movie (and the vanishing Nazi jockstrap) nearly a year before anyone else did, but also before the movie was even finished. Who knew Cherry Hill, NJ was so cosmopolitan??

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Another millennial know-it-all troll who didn't even exist back during the year in question. Enough said.

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Hi Mike. I don't doubt you at all I watched the Blu ray released 2014 via Shout Factory and I am perusing the VOD via amazon and I can tell you it does not exist in these two versions. The ear biting does briefly in both. I did have the DVD version but did not watch it and returned it to library. I will follow up with dvd but it may take a while to get it again. When I do I will post again. Thanks for posting your recollections. It made this film a little more interesting.

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I've tried locating a copy myself which still has the scene intact but without any success. Somewhat ironically, the Boys from Brazil (1978) was the very first commercially produced VHS movie I owned after purchasing my VHS Magnavox recorder back during that same year. Naturally and much to my regret it's since gone missing these many years later.

Ronald Reagan's radical censorship efforts dating back to the 1980's were stunningly more successful than I'd ever have dreamed possible. I see this same occurrence repeatedly with most movies from the 20th century. So many scenes have been censored-away to the point where what's left no longer makes a whole lot of sense; robbing movies of their original impact and continuity. Bear in mind, these are all movies which originally passed the MPAA ratings muster back before they originally hit the theaters but were later revisited long after the fact and needlessly butchered.

If it weren't for the fact the scene was so bizarre and included solely to have a profound impact upon the viewer I'd perhaps have some doubt about its existence myself. But I remember the image as clearly these many decades later as the day I watched the movie in the theater with both my folks. Still can't see what censors found so profoundly offensive it warranted being cast away into oblivion for all eternity. In my estimation, it was relatively tame and inoffensive compared to what appears in today's movies.

The most chilling part of all this is an overwhelming number of millennials are so utterly convinced such scenes never existed merely because they don't NOW--coupled with the fact all such content predates their very own existence! But those of us who were around back when these movies originally hit the theaters remember and know better.

Glad you enjoyed reading about these details and hope you'll eventually find an uncensored copy. It's unlikely any exist beyond those commercially made VHS copies dating back to 1978 quite possibly still available on eBay.

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What kind of a troll are you? Blaming Ronald Reagan for film censorship? What are you smoking?

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Reading your IMDB post history it's entirely clear you're the one who's a right wing political troll with an undying hard on for Ronald Reagan. Keep your politics confined to the voting booth. They're unwanted and unwelcome on this board. Leave the movie discussion to grown ups. We're not interested in your fanatical right wing politics nor deviant sexual orientation.

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I’m no Reagan fan, but your claim that BFB no longer shows an alleged jockstrap scene because Reagan “dictated” prudery in films is ludicrous. You have a selective memory that ignores anything that contradicts your silly thesis, including the plethora of 80s sex comedies such as Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Phoebe Cates going topless, causing Judge Reinhold to masturbate. Wow, how did that old prude Ronny let THAT one slip by him?). Porkys (raunchy sex galore), Victor/Victoria (gays and crossdressing! The Reagan stormtroopers must have been blind!), Private School, Private Lessons, Last American Virgin, American Gigolo (frontal view of a naked Richard Gere), Summer Lovers (Daryl Hannah in a threesome). Then there's the 1980s VHS release of The Groove Tube, showing a puppet that's obviously in your face male genitalia. Ronny's head should have EXPLODED at that one. The list goes on and on.

I’ve seen several instances of people swearing they saw a scene in a movie that turned out to be nonexistent in that movie. They were confusing it with something else. Your “it’s missing because of Reaganesque prudery” nonsense doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, no matter how selective your memory is.

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Ronald Reagan was your undying Lord and Master who walked on water and could do no wrong. We get it. This isn't a political board. Go find one elsewhere on which to worship your demigod and leave us alone. This discussion's about a movie from 1978 entitled "The Boys from Brazil" not your arch conservative political heroes. Stop trying to hijack the thread with your unwanted political agenda. The fact your entire above rant doesn't even mention anything about this film unambiguously proves beyond any possible doubt you're an IMDB troll. Enough said.

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I agree. Someone should get rid of all the MPAA people, systematically.

I once saw a scene in Hellraiser where the doctor gave a razor the the crazy guy, and he started cutting himself up on the mattress. I remember this because it was pretty gruesome, and I was young and impressionable. I believe I saw it on HBO or Cinemax. However, every time I've seen it since, they cut that scene out!

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you should email whoever has the original film to find out. maybe Shout Factory has it now or a copy?

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I still vividly remember and know what I saw in the movie theater several decades ago. It left a strong impression the likes of which one doesn't forget. That undoubtedly being why the author originally conceived of and included it. My point being, the scene doesn't exist anymore as the consequence of undue Draconian censorship. You don't have to take my word for it. You'll witness plenty more of the very same yourself in coming years. Just remember my having pointed it out when those occasions arrive.

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Hey Mike.

Listen, I'm a Gen-Xer - so not as old as you, but definitely approaching middle age. I believe you about the scene being cut. It doesn't sound far fetched to me, as lots of films do this in a DVD/digital home release. However, I worked in film for a decade, and you're way off as far as your reasoning for the censorship. Movie scenes get cut for all sorts of reasons. Movie length (sometimes you need to cut five minutes off in order to fit the film for TV, moviemaker preferences (maybe the audience feedback was bad for that scene and the director cut it before the release?), editing to fit distribution laws for other countries, etc etc. all are just a few reasons scenes get cut.

Extreme violence/sexuality is a big factor - but an even bigger factor is public opinion. I think people have a knee-jerk reaction to seeing a swastika and perhaps there were people who were offended by seeing it appear in such a joking and flippant manner. Even though the people offended may not have gotten the joke in context, people have emotional triggers, and the sight of a swastika would certainly fall into this category. There were still a lot of Holocaust survivors and children of survivors alive in 1978, and it just may have been too upsetting to see on film in a non-serious way? If a shot had the potential of upsetting people, I could see a director cutting it to avoid offending their audience. Better safe than sorry. As a former film professional, this would be be my #1 guess as to why the scene vanished.

I blame Reagan for a lot of terrible things, but movie censorship isn't one of them. Movies because more conservative because society became more conservative. Supply and demand.

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First, let me acknowledge and express due thanks for your vote of confidence in having said "I believe you about the scene being cut."

Being 58 years old I fully understand the many reasons why films get mindlessly hacked away at with strategic scenes ultimately being discarded upon the cutting room floors. You're directly on the mark in regard to the bulk of 21st century censorship of 20th century content being performed during the Film to DVD digital transfer stage.

Basic premise: I strongly believe it's wrong to censor film content twice or more times over.

By what reasonable justification did they censor away yet more footage when "Boys from Brazil (1978)" was transferred to DVD? None! It was wholly unnecessary and unjustified.

Other than for television broadcast involving underage viewers and tight run-time considerations there's no longer any reasonable justification to censor movies AT ALL. Particularly when they're going to be shown in privately owned and operated theaters. Otherwise what's the point of even giving them a rating? The whole situation has evolved into disturbing headache and nightmare.

So many holes are punched in movies today many end up like Swiss Cheese quite often not making much sense continuity wise once the censors get done hacking away at them.

I'm sure you've watched enough to know yourself where that's occurred especially those you had the advantage of seeing back when they were originally released possibly a decade or more earlier. A large part of this censorship issue and debate relies entirely upon being old enough to have seen and witnessed what's occurred to any given film throughout the years.

Considering it's R-rating back during 1978 you weren't anywhere near old enough when this movie (BfB) originally hit the theaters to have personally seen and witnessed what's been done to it since then. I am old enough and do know better being why I'm trying my utmost to share the benefit of such historical details with those who weren't.

I lived (and suffered) thru the Reagan era during my mid 20's so remember with absolute clarity the tumultuous wave of ultra-conservatism that swept the country after he was sworn in.

Since you're a Gen-X'er that means you were just a young boy well under the age of 10 during the Reagan era. Given that consideration, it's extraordinarily unlikely you were knowledgeable and tuned-into the political world with all its many subtleties at that youthful age.

Another closely related issue is you weren't alive back when things were profoundly more relaxed and tolerated unlike today. While I'm mentioning that relative to movie ratings nonetheless it's equally true regarding most anything you can think of across the board.

Bear further in mind you weren't around to personally witness what our country was like decades before Ronald Reagan became President. Life was so much simpler and happier there's no way of adequately conveying it without having lived it yourself at the time. I wish those of your generation and later could be transported back into time for just a single day to see what it was actually like for yourselves. You'd be completely stunned and blown away by the difference.

If necessary, please verify what I've attempted to convey by asking other elders you trust implicitly. Ronald Reagan had the most profound influence on TV and Film censorship than anyone before him in US history!

It came about due to his professional background and stunningly powerful connections in the acting and film industry. That, coupled with the fact US Congress was controlled by the GOP during those same years. Hence, whatever RWR wanted was pushed thru both houses of Congress with lightning speed with little if any opposition.

Before closing and for the record I really enjoyed getting to meet and discuss these various points with you. Thanks again for devoting the time to share your greatly appreciated thoughts, life experience and input. It's unlikely I'll be around more than another 20 years at best. So try your utmost at every opportunity to make things better for your own and future generations to come.

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This movie always had a strange aura for me, I saw it once maybe ten years ago and was stupefied why is this movie not among recommended movie lists, and then it hit me, not many people know this movie exists at all and I have found out about it by a sheer luck from movie buffs such as yourself. What other gems are lying dormant on the bottom of the ocean of obscurity? I would imagine the scene you are talking about did existed and I can imagine why it was deleted, a sexual scene with swastika and the way it was delivered was probably too intense for the fragile minds of the weary public.

We can see today the censorship is as healthy and as comical as ever, take "the man in the high castle" series for example, how ironical it is for a society caught in censorship to air series about a society which was taken away many of their freedoms. Unless the creators want to make a statement, but of course we know that this will not work with the major public, thus I assume the reason for the series is pure entertainment, that will fill the most of us with a sense of gratification that we do not live in the times of overt censorship. What one does not see one does not worry about.

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This movie had a great impact upon me also despite having first seen it during its original debut in movie theaters nearly 40 years ago. I remember each and every frame as though that was only yesterday.

I agree with the entirety of what you so eloquently wrote above. Keep searching for those "other gems lying dormant on the bottom of the ocean of obscurity" as they're some of the very best you'll ever see. If you particularly enjoyed this one there's countless more of its same caliber and quality to enjoy. Email me if so inclined for a list of my most favorite movies (nearly 1,000) from the 20th century. 5702450544 at windstream dot net

Really glad knowing there are others out there like you who fully recognize and understand the increasing level of censorship that's pervading and dominating the movie industry like the mushrooming cancer it is.

Unfortunately a lion's share of millennials DON'T KNOW and are easily deceived into believing such content never existed simply because it no longer does and predates their own existence. The polar reverse effect of "seeing is believing" in figurative terms.

Compared to movies of the 20th century it's beyond shocking 21st century censorship has dramatically increased in near quantum leaps rather than decreased. In this day and age there shouldn't be any need nor justification for censorship of any kind. That being the original purpose and intention behind the MPAA rating system. If certain individuals don't want to see or hear such content then don't watch or listen to it.

Everyone else is ENTITLED to the freedom of reading, hearing and watching such content as an author originally intended without any unwanted outside interference, editing or censorship. Our US Constitution grants, guarantees and protects our right to do so. What we're unwilling to champion and defend on a daily basis we'll ultimately lose.

The level of quality realized from direct motion picture Film to Digital HD level scanning coupled with "wet gate" transport technology is nothing less than stunning and an epic achievement. But this is also where an historically unprecedented level of censorship has invaded the process and doomed a considerable amount of that original film footage to oblivion for all time. Once gone there's no way of ever getting it back. Think of how profoundly chilling and far reaching into the future that Draconian mass destruction is.

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