The Saint, differences


I found it interesting that Roger Moore (1927/1962) and Ian Ogilvy (1943/1978) were the same age, 35 when they took up playing Simon Templar. I thought about what it was that makes the former so much more embraced/believable (though not entirely since it's fiction of course) than the latter, and realized that there was a little thing called WWII (1939-1945) intervening that would have had a far more significant effect on the former than the latter (the latter not really having actually LIVED through it at the age of 2). There's also the significant effect of post '40s (yes even in the '50s "Father Knows Best" era if one has eyes to see) narcissism & ego and thus corruption that would have affected Ian's age more (knowing it first-hand as 11 years his junior, 1954), not that Sir Roger's was much more of a "saint" (pun intended). You can be sure that Sir Roger's 1960s concept of opposing "the ungodly" he mentioned a few times (I've seen every episode from S1E01 The Talented Husband to S6E20 The World Beater within the past 6-12 months) would have never passed the "liberal" censors of Ian's 1978-1979 day, part of their coverup where the inmates have taken over the asylum in their ironically intolerant assault on alleged "intolerance" (which of course means anyone who believes in reality and truth and thus disagrees with their delusional fascist revisionist history only sustained by drinking the koolaid, worse than alcoholics who blame others for their condition. I've enjoyed Ian's episodes, but it's somewhat obvious that Roger's Simon Templar will never really be in danger of overthrow as the definitive "Saint." I loved his recent part as Duke Edward of Castlebury Hall (A Princess For Christmas) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1083448/ though it was a shock to consider there's a bit of a difference of a half-century between beloved Simon at ~35 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055701/) and beloved Edward at ~85 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1083448/) who's appeared more in the past two years (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000549/) than dear Ian has in the past decade (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0644707/)!

reply

I always suspected that Ian Ogilvy's character might have been the son of the "original" Saint (please note how much he looks like LOUIS HAYWARD!!!). While Roger Moore's character was apparently a jewel thief at some point (but only stealing from RICH CROOKS), Ogilvy's apparently made his fortune working as a mercenary in Africa!

Then I read that the producers initially intended to call the show "SON OF THE SAINT"-- but Leslie Charteris put a stop to it. (I was right!)

It's been pointed out that Roger Moore looks better in a fight, but on the other hand, Ian Ogilvy's character is MUCH more of a sex maniac. Like in "The Ambassador's Daughter" when he says, "Oh, no, I have bad reputation in this hotel, and I have no intention of losing it." Or when he's at the party in "Murder Cartel" and the woman he's with (who he JUST MET!) asks, "Are we going to the bedroom ALREADY?"). That's the late 70's for you.

After reading comments that this show was nowhere near as "gritty" or "realisdtic" as other late 70's English action shows, it's distressing to realize that when it got to America, it was at a time when censorship was at its peak, and it was STILL considered "too violent" to air in prime time, and was instead relegated to late-night (11:30 PM or later). Although I got a VCR years before most, it was still not soon enough, and I wound up taping most of the series years later off Channel 9 in NY-- at 2 AM!!! And for whatever reason, they kept running the same 23 episodes over and over in a cycle... with ONE episode-- the one about the race-car driver-- conspicuously missing. (I HATE when anyone does that.)

reply

Ogilvy also spends a lot of time writing books and plays, in addition to acting. He also has done quite a bit of theatre throughout his career.

Put puppy mills out of business: never buy dogs from pet shops! 

reply

Since Peter Cushing passed away, Ogilvy has been my favorite actor!

reply

I always relish seeing the ever-charming Ogilvy. I had the pleasure of seeing him on a West End stage (1980) on one of my many trips to the UK. It was a Simon Gray play that I think was called Stage Struck. What a treat!

I own several series in which he appears, so I can see him whenever I want, which is lovely.

Put puppy mills out of business: never buy dogs from pet shops! 

reply