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Charlie Tyrrell vs. Charlie Haslemere


When Charlie's father died, he assumed the title of Lord Haslemere. However, I often caught people referring to him as "Charlie Haslemere." Should the title have changed his surname, or did the writers goof?

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Yes, the title changed how he used his surname.

Take for example The Earl of Grantham from Downton Abbey, Robert, addressed as “Lord Grantham.” His surname, Crawley, is not used. Peers use their title as if it were a surname: he would sign his letters “Robert Grantham” (to his friends and family) or “Robert The Earl of Grantham."

Charlie, is for me, the primary reason I enjoyed The Duchess of Duke Steeet. He lights up the screen with his charm, character, and good looks.

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Fair enough, but consider the original "Upstairs Downstairs." Richard is awarded a peerage and becomes "Viscount Bellamy of Haversham." He's still addressed as "Lord Bellamy", not "Lord Haversham." What happened here?

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I think that is dfferent as Richard is Vicount Bellamy OF Haversham, not Vicount Haversham.

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Peers are often called by their given name and title rather than their surname, so "Charlie Haslemere" is correct. He was Viscount Haslemere but he would always be called Lord Haslemere or sometimes just Haslemere. If he was signing a formal letter he would sign it "Haslemere." A letter to Louisa or another good friend would just be signed "Charlie"

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No...that doesn't quite scan either. If Robert Crawley is the Earl of Grantham and addressed as Lord Grantham, then Richard Bellamy as the Viscount of Haversham should be addressed as Lord Haversham. Maybe the difference is that Bellamy didn't INHERIT his title.

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