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Tech requiring aiming (among other things) makes no sense


Why is it that in these futuristic sci-fi movies, the technology is ALWAYS worse than our current technology?

"Dogfights with spaceships" makes no sense as an idea, because spaceship should be ABOVE F-19s and F-22s and all those things.

'Modern jet fighter fights' would be fought mostly with missiles and radar - the 'fighter' and the 'target' would NEVER, ever see each other visually, those missiles would be really fast and go really far, so we are talking about multiple kilometers, perhaps even tens of kilometers.

The 'enemy' would only be seen as blips in radar, not 10 cm from your ship while you are frantically trying to shoot them down with some 'laser version' of an ancient gatling gun that couldn't hit an aircraft carrier from two meters away.

Furthermore, not only is the technology lower than the current Earth tech with SEEKING MISSILES (heat-seeking, for example), that you DO NOT HAVE TO AIM but which just seek the target once they're locked, but they're almost never ADVANCED from that point forward.

Future tech should be BETTER, not on par or worse.

Future weapons should NEVER require the user to HAVE TO AIM ACCURATELY to hit anything. First of all, spaceships should be able to move a heckuva lot FASTER than anything flying we have available on this planet.

Their propulsion and magnetic field and energy systems should be such that they eliminate G-forces (or the pilots would just die all the time from just turning and such), so this means they could do the typical UFOlike instant turns and such, making it IMPOSSIBLE to hit with a 'laser gun' with slowly moving 'light bullets' or whatever. (This is already ridiculous in itself - any LIGHT-based gun should have INSTANT shots, not 'slower than our bullets' shots, why doesn't anyone question this?!)

But it gets even worse than that; any common sense future tech should obviously have the ability to just scan an area, automatically highlight all enemy targets and select them, so then you could deselect some if you want, or just 'erase every target from existence' if you press enter, or something.

Think about RTS games, where you can just select a group and issue a command, it would probably be like that or better. Just select who you want erased, then tell the computer to erase them. Then they would be either erased, or at least something very futuristic and powerful would happen INSTANTLY to attempt to erase them.

Missiles are such old tech, but even they would be better than what we are shown, some WW1 or maybe WW2 'gunner' crap at best, with SLOWER BULLETS.

Why would a 'light bullet' require such a massive recoil as to make the turret bounce back every time it shoots anyway? (Yet, people can shoot these bullets from pistols that do not seem to create recoil, so what gives?)

In any case, some kind of 'futuristic weapon tech energy grid sweep' should happen to the selected targets, and unless they're superfast or have ridiculous shields, they should be destroyed by a mighty EMPIRE's weapons easily and quickly. No clumsy 'walking giant robots that come from 200 km away' but just orbital grid, even bombing would not be necessary, this energy grid would be faster than light and more effective than 20 million nukes to its targets with no ill effects otherwise.

But sure, reduce the 'fire and forget' tech to 'you have to be able to HIT with these slow-moving bullets (even WW1 bullets were faster)'-level. What.. this makes no sense!

Also, why doesn't ANYONE ever use the force to solve problems? Darth should have just slammed the spaceships against the walls or exploded them or whatnot, instead of clumsily trying to target and HIT them (how hard is it to hit something if you are following them in a tiny, square-shaped tunnel? OK, it's not a 'tunnel' per se, but I forgot the word). But instead, he just says 'The force is strong with THIS ONE (emphasis mine).'

THIS ONE?? For a powerful, future-seeing force user Jedi Master, Darth is really bad at recognizing his own family members, fruits of his loins, etc. He tortures his daughter and leaves no marks or trauma for some reason, without recognizing her. He tries to kill his own son, recognizes his 'force strength' (which is never explained), but doesn't recognize him as his own son. WHAT?!

Luke could also, being 'strong', after all Yoda taught, slam Darth's ship or at least jam the ship's weapons or force choke him or Darth could force choke Luke, I mean, if Yoda can lift a ship from the swamp, why can't Darth move Luke's ship with the force just as well in the tunnel chase?

Please don't tell me it's because this happens in a different movie... I know I am always saying that we're supposed to talk about only one movie in that movie's board, but these movies are so meshed together storywise, the legend, saga and the world is exactly the same in all movies, the characters are exactly the same, the force is exactly the same, it's all just one story.

Makes no sense anyway..





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Why is it that in these futuristic sci-fi movies, the technology is ALWAYS worse than our current technology?


that is call star wars charm. it is old fashion battle tactic in future space universes. so your audience have connection to what they see from old film, something that is familiar.

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But Star Wars takes place a long long long time ago and not in the future, so the technology wouldn't be on our level

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Do you have favourite movies, avortac4? I ask because I think I've only ever seen you on here when you're posting massive amounts of complaints against movies, and I'm not sure if you don't like these movies or you don't mind them but find these logical problems with them, or maybe you've just watched too much CinemaSins...?

Either way, I was just curious if there were movies, TV series, or books that tell stories you actually enjoy?

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He seems to target only popular and highly rated movies. Maybe he turns on by trying to ruin the enjoyment of movies from others. Judging by the amount of text he produces, he seems quite obsessive.

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There are a few things he might be doing.

1. He's winding people up.
2. He's legitimately this pedantic about things like movies.
3. He's doing what CinemaSins and Honest Trailers and other channels do.
4. He likes debating logical fallacies in films whether he likes the films or not.

Maybe something else; I don't know.

Depending on motivations, he might be doing this in good faith or bad faith, but I don't know. I'm going to assume it's "good faith" for now, but I just want to know what he does like watching, or maybe something that he does think "makes sense" in movies (or maybe that's impossible) because I think I can get some good insight into his behaviour with that knowledge.

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After reading this, I'm now 100% satisfied that he's just joking or trolling: https://moviechat.org/tt0133093/The-Matrix/63bddea2de1dd028c1b3f66e/The-only-way-to-fly-makes-no-sense

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CinemaSins sucks.

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When they first started I thought they were funny. They would do 3-5 minute videos and mostly rip on actual plot holes and continuity errors. Once they started nitpicking every, little thing for 45 minutes at a time... yeah, it's too much negativity. There are also just so many channels devoted to ripping on material.

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Your comment would make sense if the intention of the creators would have been "show off the tech" with that final space battle scene.

But it wasn't. It was "let's put our heroes in a dramatic situation, requiring their skills to overcome the threat of the Death Star against impossible odds."

So yeah, artistic licence and whatnot. Yes, from a tech standpoint, dogfighting makes no sense. Also, even during dogfights, in space the fighters would not be oriented always "right side up" (as "up" is meaningless in space anyways). But for dramatic purposes, the scene was designed this way. And audiences will not take serious issue with this, since the intention of the movie is to tell a story about the world and about the characters. Tech is secondary in that regard, and come on - Star Wars is clearly not a "hard SF" movie. There is no basis upon which you could expect realistic depiction of any details about tech.

Yes, this makes it convenient for the creators to handle issues in the plot. Yes, sometimes tech acts like "magic" - hyperspeed travel was invented for characters not to age 30+ years before they get to the next planet / moon / space station. You are not supposed to know exactly how it works.

I am very much a nitpicking type of person - when it makes sense to nitpick. But in Star Wars, especially in the OT, you need to soak in the atmosphere, the world building, the characters and just go with the flow. SW is about experience and not about this tech details. So normally, in a different movie, I would be on your side. But here, I am not. Yes, SW77 gets a pass. But on account of it being a well crafted, well written fantasy experience, as far off from a hard SF movie as it gets.

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Keep in mind this all happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. It was not future tech, it was ancient tech.

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