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Why was this the first movie?


Why not make 1, 2 and 3 first then this movie and the rest?

Has this ever been explained? I guess Lucas thought Star Wars would never get any sequels or prequels?

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Lucas's official story is that he'd had a nine-film arc planned out from the start, but thought that the middle three films would be the "most interesting."

He went public with this after "Empire Strikes Back" premiered, confusing us all with "Episode V" in the opening crawl. There'd been no "Episode IV" for this film, originally.

Personally, I think it's rubbish. A lot of the story was developed along the way. The most crucial plot point, Vader being Luke's father, wasn't even a notion until well into the writing process for "Empire." As far as this film was concerned, he was just a fallen Jedi, and "Darth Vader" was literally his full name, first and last.

Also, when you look at one of Lucas's biggest inspirations, "The Hidden Fortress" by Akira Kurosawa, it's clear that "Star Wars" was written as a stand-alone story. The "Hidden Fortress" inspirations are crystal clear, especially when you see Ralph McQuarrie's early concept drawings, where Han Solo and Ben Kenobi were a single character (sort of a space pirate with a lightsaber) and Luke was a girl (so, accidentally, Luke and Leia being twins turned out to be appropriate).

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Thanks for the informative reply, ExTech.

I've often wondered if there was a film that inspired Lucas. I will have to watch THF some time just to compare it to SW.

I suppose I don't mind so much that Lucas decided to create a new story for the sequels, I really liked them. I thought it was great story-telling.

However, I can see why Lucas thought 4-6 would be the better stories... the prequels are really awful with the exception of Ep3, ROTS was a pretty good movie.

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"it's clear that "Star Wars" was written as a stand-alone story."

Rubbish. How else would Lucas have made his billions from sequels if the Star Wars story was done and dusted in ONE movie? Don't forget, sequels in movies had lasted a long time prior to Star Wars.

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SEQUELS TO LOW BUDGET SCI FI FILMS MADE BY ALMOST UNKNOWNS?

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Lucas never intended to make billions off the films

He knew, well before this became common knowledge, that the TOYS would be moneymakers and clung to all the licensing and merchandising rights.

THAT's where he made his billions.

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yes, I agree they were just winging it after the first.

The original book publish:
It was first published on November 12, 1976, by Ballantine Books, several months before the release of the film. In later years, it was republished under the title Star Wars: A New Hope to reflect the retroactive addition of a subtitle to the film in 1981.
For some, this created the urban myth that Star Wars was a book “first,” which semantically speaking, in terms of public release, is sort of true. The novel's author is “George Lucas,” which again, is true in a roundabout way since this book was based on his screenplay.

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Don't forget The Sword of Doom!!!

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How is Sword of Doom similar to Star Wars '77?

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A samurai becomes a master swordsman but irredeemably evil in the process. He had turned to the dark side!!!

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Yeah, but he's not the main character of Star Wars. This is more the prequel trilogy. Also, SoD never really gives a specific reason why the character turns evil, other than general arrogance perhaps.

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The Star wars reason is a little vague too : )


"something something dark side"

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The Star Wars reason (I want my mommy back!) is dumb and lame, but Lucas lays it on so thick it's hard to miss it. My understanding of Sword of Doom is that it is based on a book that has been has been retold so many times that Japanese already understood the backstory anyway. Perhaps the book goes into greater detail as to the exact reasons but the film didn't, unless we Westerners just aren't getting the subtleties.

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Lucas's official story is that he'd had a nine-film arc planned out from the start, but thought that the middle three films would be the "most interesting."

Yep I agree , thats a total load of horseshit .
I think he first mentioned that when the prequels began filming, over 20 years too late for it to have credibility

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I think he first mentioned that when the prequels began filming, over 20 years too late for it to have credibility


Nah, I recall it being discussed right after "Empire" opened, specifically because we were all thrown off by the "Episode V" label.

In fact, there was so much buzz about it for so long that Mad Magazine, TWO YEARS LATER, published an "official" treatment for "all TWELVE films" that captures the insanity of that era's speculation perfectly.

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ah cool ,

maybe spielberg just getting overexcited about the runaway success of SW

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Don’t forget, Lucas originally wanted to do a Flash Gordon film, but couldn’t get the rights, so Star Wars was basically Lucas’ love letter to Flash Gordon.

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I guess Lucas thought Star Wars would never get any sequels or prequels?


I'm pretty sure that was a factor too (sequels were the exception rather than the rule back in 1977), but I think it was mostly an artistic choice.

Among Lucas' main inspirations for Star Wars were the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers TV serials from his childhood, so I think he wanted to evoke their serialized nature by having a film that might have been an episode in a larger narrative, whether one would actually exist or not.

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He was making it up as he went along. Leia kissing Luke is definitive proof that he was only thinking about the movie one step at a time. Same thing goes with the droids. Don't buy into his "oh I had it all planned out ahead" crap.

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Leia kisses Luke. That proves what exactly?
1-she does not know he is her brother.
2-a sister can kiss her brother, or even fuck him, even if she knows they are brother and sister.
It is not illegal, I think. Quite revolting, but not illegal.

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Yes, but no way Lucas puts that in there if he already knew she was his brother.

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Maybe in the Star Wars galaxy, its normal to have sexual affairs with a sibling?

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Why not?
It would reinforce the idea that she did not know.

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Luke-Leia becoming sibling was a change to the original storyline. Lucas had planned all along for Leia and Solo to be together to fit his original story. Fans kept writing that it was Luke and Leia that should be together. He made them siblings so he could proceed and stop the fans. Of course, that was put on hold because the next series of films were not made for decades. It also required a massive change to the outline for the prequels.

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This was the first movie because Luke Skywalker IS Star Wars.

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Luke confronting Vader has always been the core of Star Wars to me. That's why things started getting good in The Empire Strikes Back. I don't care for Han Solo, the droids, Leia or Boba fucking Fett.

Why Lucas choose to make this one first, is probably because it was possible with the least amount of money. People are arguing whether Lucas had only one movie in mind at a time or did he have the entire saga finished in 1977, that's stupid. The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle. Of course he had some background story sketched before cameras rolled.

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I totally agree; in addition to your reasoning about the "core of Star Wars".

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" I guess Lucas thought Star Wars would never get any sequels or prequels?"

Really? There's just one minor detail that makes this claim improbable: he didn't kill Vader in the end of episode 4. And there was also too much background story, like Vader killing Luke's dad. Of course people expected Luke to confront his daddy's killer, but this didn't happen in the first movie, so it was left for sequels.

Besides Lucas wanted (and got) rights for possible sequels from Twentieth Century Fox. He financed the sequels out of his own pocket.

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Well, that is a valid point, pji69.

But were we not under the impression that the Empire was destroyed or at the very least, they were no longer able to wage war against the rebels at the end of 4?

It was such a climactic ending that it made it seem like the war was over.

And I think they were expecting this movie to flop anyway. So, I don't know for sure if he had plans to make the sequels and eventually the prequels.

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I remember in a Lucas interview with Leonard Maltin he explained that he wrote a really long story and that it was too much to put into one film. He thought he might get only one shot at making the film (since all the studios passed on it save 20th Century Fox) so he split the story into nine parts and took the part that he thought would make the best stand alone feature, just in case he would only have a chance to make one.

As others have already pointed out, it sounds believable since Vader's escape at the end left the door open for a continuation if the first film was a success.

I'd say it was a success.

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He never said he split the story into 9 parts though.

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Well, it's been quite a long time, perhaps I'm conflating what I (think) I remember when Empire came out and Lucas revealed that Star Wars was to be a trilogy of trilogies.

My assumption is that he had a epic story mapped out that could be fully developed and realized as he got around to each "part" of that story. That kind of scenario allows for flexibility and creativity.

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I remember the ‘trilogy of trilogies’ statement.

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Lucas was trying to copy the Planet of the Apes franchise where the original is not the first in the story plot line

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not he didnt , drop the act its boring

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Untrue, Lucas originally wanted to do a Flash Gordon film, but couldn’t get the rights, so Star Wars was basically Lucas’ love letter to Flash Gordon.

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My statement might be untrue but it sounds better than yours. Flash Gordon was horrible. Glad Lucas couldn't get the rights for it

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Besides what has been shared, I also read that during the middle films since the Republic had fallen... they took place during a time where less special effects would be required... like this was sorta a Depression era for the galaxy, everything was kinda worn-out, etc.

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