Starting to wish


this movie was never made. Just look at what it did to American cinema.

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I wish there was no such thing as film snobs who think there should be nothing but dramas.

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Wait, where did the OP say anything like that?

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Saying the original Star Wars movie destroyed Cinema makes it sound like the TC hates action films. I have a cousin who is a film snob and goes on about how he hates that superhero movies make more money than other movies. And with what the TC says he is very similar.

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Your cousin is right!
The OP is wrong!

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No my cousin is not right. So you hate action movies too? Then you are a film snob just like him.

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I was typing on the on screen keyboard earlier,using a mouse , which is a total pita , hence the brevity. I can now elaborate a bit.

I dont hate action movies. who brought "action" into it? do you put "action" as the main genre of Star Wars? I'm not saying thats wrong , i guess it is, most would think 'sci fi' first.
I have no idea what the OP meant by "ruining american cinema", hopefully he'll come back and elaborate.

I am totally behind your cousin hating Superhero movies . not neccassarily because they make more money - although that is the root of all the reasons they exist.

I think super heroes are childish. A bunch of freaks and mutants in silly costumes , with ever more stupid "powers" , flying around fighting each other? no thanks.

Clearly many people like this , the majority of the cinema going public have decided to settle on this bullshit , so it makes money , so they churn more out , and have become so preoccupied with that
that ALL other films of all genres have suffered.

Much like zombies have taken over horror - every other horror film , particularly post apocalptic ones now cant resist having zombies - superheroes have done that to ALL films of all genres.

Its hard to find films that dont feature some masked twat in a leotard wearing his underpants on the outside shooting laserbeams at another one.

..and thats because they make money. because idiots (ie the demographic that pours most money into movie theatres - aka teenagers) lap them up.

I'm not saying they should only make genres i like , obviously, I'm fine with rom-coms , and horror and period dramas being made even though they arnt my thing , but those goddam superheroes havbe outstayed there welcome and are taking too much room.

so to summ up:
Star wars hasnt ruined cinema, superheroes have.







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I enjoy superhero movies and honestly haven't watched a lot of other films that come out in quite a few years. The last non superhero movies I watched in theaters were the Invisible Man, Scary Stories to tell in the Dark, and Bad times at the El Royale. I also watched Hide and Seek.

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the OP was vague...

it's what we're inferring from what the OP is saying... it might not be the action elements per se...

it might be the eternal childhood culture that is built around Star Wars... Grown Ass men in their late 40s collecting Star Wars toys, etc... the merchandise culture of movies... in that way it's closer to marvel...

i miss 80s and 90s action movies... they don't make those anymore... but they are very different beast from marvel & starwars... what i miss more are the thrillers and other genre movies form the late 90s early 2000s... in addition to the dramas...

the fact that the toy movies make so much money isn't what has caused other movies not to make money... the reality, is most of the other movies are pretty shitty and are too focused on SJW pandering than actually being fun... this is partly due to US movie culture, but also partly due to the studios buying one another up in the early 2000s as well as the mega corporations buying up the studios over the years... So in the 2000s movies made for the adult (i.e. grown ups, not porn) audience were scaled back, partly due to this consolidation, but also partly due to piracy, as people would rather pirate these movies at home than rent the movie (the major market for these movies) or watch on the big screen in cinema (not as big an issue for the big toy movies).

Now that streaming services finally come into play, this adult audience is at home watching series because they lost the habit of watching those movies in cinema... also, the generation behind them never developed that habit... so those movies arne't made anymore, or are made on a much smaller scale (e.g. horror)

The finally (so far) cherry on the top is that Disney owns a large part of all Hollywood filmmaking now... They are primarily and infantalising oriented company and have a significant SJW bent now... So it's the two trends of toy movies and SJW ideology combined... The recent Star Wars movies are an example of this...

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Yeah, that's roughly how I understood the OP's lament. Star Wars and Jaws create the blockbuster, which turned into the summer movie thing, which bled into comic book cinematic universes, and now the only heavily-advertised, heavily-attended films (for the most part) are a bunch of toy commercials.

You make a very interesting point about how Disney is a company who relies on keeping people from growing up...that's a very scary thought, indeed, and is pretty accurate. If people don't grow up, they might not move out of their parents' basements and become entitled babies in grown-up pants, but at least they'll keep buying Mickey Mouse t-shirts, right?

I mean, there's nothing wrong with keeping a few glowing embers of childlike behaviour or ideals at your heart - I think that's fine. But to indulge that side, to grow it, to make it primary in your mindset is poisonous.

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Can you be more specific about what it did? The invention of the blockbuster? The megalith of Disney?

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After Star Wars, films marketed to adults gradually diminished and "comic book" movies (movies marketed to 12 year olds) dominated. Sequels also became common and now "reboots" are as, if not more, common than original movies. I think the OP's point is pretty obvious, to be honest. It's not an attack on Star Wars, it's an attack on what happened because of Star Wars' success.

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A lot of that can be attributed to the success of Jaws too, which was the first real summer blockbuster.

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True. Star Wars cemented the idea in the minds of the executives that they, and not the artists, should be in charge in Hollywood.

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It was also the biggest contributor to tie-ins. I don't think Jaws moved a lot of Chief Brody action figures.

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I guess I was just curious why the OP was just starting to wish it, then. That spiral has been happening for years.

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