http://cgi.ebay.com/SPIELEN-WIR-LIEBE-RARE-1970s-ITALIAN-COMING-OF-AGE-DVD_W0QQitemZ130119742248QQihZ003QQcategoryZ80023QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
I have not seen this movie on ebay for years, so if you want the full uncut, unfogged version of the film bid. I'd buy it myself, but i already own a copy.
Big quick cause the auction ends June 9th 2007.
So, I see you got bored with all the child pornography web pages you usually visit and now are looking for some pedophile fiction, eh?
shareI dont see what your so upset about. The fact that the movie was even on ebay goes to prove my point that it is legal to own and sell in the United States. Nudity does not equal pornography. Peope who only see the nudity in this movie have a closed mind and are not getting the point to what the movie is all about. I personally can relate to the movie and knowing how rare it is, having pruchased my copy from europe, i know that others would like to have a copy of it as well.
PS: judging from your attitude i can tell you most likely have not even seen the movie and are writing only from the negative things you have read about it.
Yes, this movie is on ebay from time to time, it is also immediately removed from ebay when reported to the admin, because they agree that it is indeed child pornography.
Small wonder, since it is now illegal to purchase anywhere on the planet.
Oh, um,
People who only see the nudity in this movie have a closed mindI can assure you that I do not have a closed mind, and I see much more than just plain nudity. I see children having sex on the screen, that is not only the definition of pornography, it is also the definition of child pornography.
The children in this movie aren't having actual sex on screen, so it's not by definition child pornography, at least in countries such as the USA and Canada.
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The children in this movie aren't having actual sex on screen,And you know this how???
ok expalin to me whay you think this movie is illegal. If you have read my other posts you can see that I have posted stuff on this film numerous times. The fact is that this movie is only banned in one country currently, Germany. The sad fact is that it is almost impossible to find this movie in the United States however this does not mean it is illegal. Being a sociologist- criminal justice major in college and having examined the law regarding child pornography, i can tell you that this is not child porn. If you want to talk about professionally produced child porn in the United States, when child porn became illegal in 1978, we can examine the case of Traci Lords who was born in 1968 and starred in over 100 porn films from 1984 thru 1987, all but one of her movies remain illegal. I have talked to numerous police officers and chiefs and even FBI agents about this film when they come as speakers to my college and all agree that this film is not kiddy porn becuase, even though intent is hard to prove, it is clear that the intent in this film is not sexual stimulation, if this is child porn i can assume that movies such as Pretty Baby, American Beauty, Angela (1995), Angela's Ashes, You Are not Alone, ETC.... are all kiddy porn because they have nudity and simulated sex and rape scenes involving underage kids. However these movies are legal, even the most brutal ones such as Dakota Fanning in Hounddog (2007) and Bastard Out Of Carolina and Liar Liar: Between father and daughter. All these would be illegal and classified as kiddy porn under your interpretation of the law.
My guess is you have not even seen this film (and have no intention of seeing it) because you believe everything you read. Watch the movie and then i would be glad to have a intelligent debate with you about weather the child porn laws should be ammended to include films such as this one.
Oh and for your information....ebay did not cancel the auction of the movie.. it sold for over $50 US dollars.
Remember NUDITY IS NOT PORNOGRAPHY
My guess is you have not even seen this film (and have no intention of seeing it) because you believe everything you read.You guess wrong.
However these movies are legal, even the most brutal ones such as Dakota Fanning in Hounddog (2007) and Bastard Out Of Carolina and Liar Liar: Between father and daughter. All these would be illegal and classified as kiddy porn under your interpretation of the law.I see you like to presume things.
I have talked to numerous police officers and chiefs and even FBI agents about this film when they come as speakers to my college and all agree that this film is not kiddy porn becuaseGee, I'm sorry, but I just don't believe a word of that.
Ebay does not cancel an auction unless it is reported, once done this movie is removed within hours, I know because I not only sell on ebay, but I have also reported this movie several times, it is always removed.
Oh and for your information....ebay did not cancel the auction of the movie.. it sold for over $50 US dollars.
Watch the movie and then i would be glad to have a intelligent debate with you about weather the child porn laws should be ammended to include films such as this one.Sorry dude, but I kinda doubt it, not only are your facts wrong, and your research seemingly non-existent, but you even have trouble spelling simple words like Amended, Kiddie and Whether.
it seems to me your the one picking on typing errors and yes i have read the child porn laws. Today, a movie can only be banned through legislation and no legislation has ever been passed about this movie. Maybe you should be more concerned with where i bought this movie, amazon UK. It shipped right to my door, if it is indeed child porn as you are saying amazon can be sued for pandering, think about that! Many other sites are also supplying it such as:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=222
http://www.ioffer.com/i/22886622
http://www.ioffer.com/i/Maladolescenza-UnCut-Un-Fogged-English-Subs-DVD-9385374
http://www.sazuma.com/details.php?dcd_id=82267&mysazuma=0c977a56b38a844802f1ae0aa5d961d0
and many more, who offer shipping to the United States
if it is illegal how do these sites get away with it.
As for you questioning how I have talked to people in law enforcement about such issues, My uncle is a lawyer in michigan, and my aunt's friend is a police officer in Ohio.
Unless you show me proof that this movie had been banned in the United States I will not believe that it is illegal.
PS: i also saw it forsale for $40 Us dollars at Trader's World in Ohio last week when my family went on vacation, I guess you better go call the police and tell them to search the venders at Trader's World.
also i assume that since you watched the film you can tell me how it ends. It seems to me you are a very strong conservative who shivers at any sight of nudity and goes around condemming films with the slightest bit of nudity. don't screw with a criminal justice major.
Oh and by the way.......according to your legal view of child porn are nudist videos illegal too? such as on this site: http://www.baikalfilms.org/categories.asp
heres how they can legally sell this read their disclaimer:
http://www.baikalfilms.org/legal.asp
guess you better go report that too.........right?
Do not PM me, I will simply paste the contents here.
If you have anything to say to me, then do so in the forum where it belongs.
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Kalvin's PM to me (Edited)
judging from your comment history.......you tend to comment on films dealing with pedophilia and nudity the most, and after reading your comments i come to a few conclusions........either your are a closet pedophile (and/or) you are an extreme conservative who can not hold an intelligent debate (probably a huge Bush - Cheney supporter) do you have nothing better to do than condem a movie to which i found confort in to help understand how and why i had a difficult preteen-young teen time in my life.
it seems to me your the one picking on typing errorsWow, your grammar suxs too.
and yes i have read the child porn laws.Obviously you don't understand them.
Maybe you should be more concerned with where i bought this movie, amazon UK. It shipped right to my door, if it is indeed child porn as you are saying amazon can be sued for pandering, think about that!<snip>and many more, who offer shipping to the United StatesNo, actually I couldn't care less. This is also another indicator that you have no clue what you're talking about, I suggest you look up "Caveat Emptor".
if it is illegal how do these sites get away with it.
As for you questioning how I have talked to people in law enforcement about such issues, My uncle is a lawyer in michigan, and my aunt's friend is a police officer in Ohio.Ahhh so this imaginary stream of FBI agents at your school is actually a friend of your aunt's, I kinda thought it was something like that.
Unless you show me proof that this movie had been banned in the United States I will not believe that it is illegal.Believe what you like.
also i assume that since you watched the film you can tell me how it ends.The boy kills Eva Ionesco with a knife.
It seems to me you are a very strong conservative who shivers at any sight of nudity and goes around condemming films with the slightest bit of nudity. don't screw with a criminal justice major.If you are a criminal justice major I will eat my hat.
Oh and by the way.......according to your legal view of child porn are nudist videos illegal too?No, not "real" ones anyways, nudism is not sexual, nor does it have any relation to this movie.
actually i have posted this whole comment i sent you on a new thread called " The true legality of the movie", read it. It contains every word i sent you.
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Caveat Emptor makes no sense in this situation. It means that the buyer, buys at his or her own risk. All companies are subject to some liability. If I bought drugs from a drug dealer, that does not mean the dealer did nothing wrong. Also, if you have indeed seen this film and believe that it is child porn, than you are guilty of watching child porn as well.
Anyway that is off topic, the topic is that I have seen this movie for sale in several different online stores, maybe you did not see the list of links I posted in a previous post.
I can plainly see that we are not going to agree on anything here. Let's just agree to disagree. The only thing I ask is that you let people make up their own mind about the film after having read both of our posts.
If they want to risk it (as you see it), that’s their decision. If they want to watch a great artistic masterpiece (as I see it), that’s their decision also.
Dismenot, I didn't have to be on the set of the movie to know this. If you don't see a sex act depicted on screen, then the movie doesn't have a sex act, regardless of what actually happened on the set.
The CP laws say nothing about "feeling up girls" being illegal. The law has some very specific things that make a visual depiction illegal if it involves someone under the age of 18. Intercourse, oral, and masturbation are some of the things that make a work "sexually explicit." Does this movie contain the actual depiction of any of these things? No it doesn't. Also, implied sex acts don't count.
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Does ebay set the standards of morality now?LMFAO
Ebay is completely unreasonable and unrealistic about their views on porn and [therefore cannot be considered the standard bearers of justice.]
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Ah, I see, you just enjoy being a dick.
Of course I agree with their policy, and yes stupid, that would be why I mentioned it.
Do you have trouble with basic reading?
The above post is the second time you stuck words in my mouth. When you do that, you are in essence arguing with someone that, erm, isn't here.
Do you hear voices in your head as well?
Please ask your doctor to increase your Lithium dosage, and then go argue with someone that, erm, isn't over there-->>>>>
I'm sure you will reply with some annoying remark about sticking something else in my mouth, while you sit there and giggle like a schoolgirl over your self-perceived wittiness. But since the "9" in your nic seems to be indicative of your age, I think I'll just ignore you from this point forward.
Run along now, buh-bye!
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Well, kalvinharp, at least you're jacking off to a pedophile-fiction movie instead over a real 12 years old boy/girl... right?
shareDear SonicMozart,
Have you read any of my posts about this film? The reason I LOVE this film is not the underage nudity, which is clearly the only thing you saw, but that I can relate to the story. I was picked on when I was a preteen and young teen. The whole fact that kids can be cruel is so apparent in this film, it is almost scary. What makes this film so controversial is that it is very true to life. Life is very cruel and many of us find that out at a young age. Obviosly you can't see that if (1) you are so overwhelmed by the nudity, and (2) if you, yourself were not a victim of abuse. Another great film comes to mind that deals with this sensitive subject...
Elephant (2003): http://imdb.com/title/tt0363589/
Maybe if I had seen either or both of these two films when I was younger I would have realized that I was not alone. Then I would not have had to be on antidepressants for 7 years.
Maybe if you had actually seen the movie instead of assuming "Oh its made for those pedos", you could have seen the true value and artistic merit of this film. I pity you that you can be so closed minded as to stray away from a film just becuase it has some nudity in it. Yes, the nudity may be disturbing but this film does not limit itself to one aspect of adolescent life and addresses several other issues teens face.