WIDESCREEN?


Does anyone know in what ratio this film was shot? Some say it was never shot in widescreen.

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Explain the The Hunted, The French Connection, The Rules of Engement, The Exorcist.

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I guess i would like you too, because to shoot a movie in scope means your movie suffer completely in the standard format instead of widescreen.

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True, but i guess if they release another dvd it should at least clean up the picture quality of the dvd that is out now.

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I just rented the dvd and it says "This version HAS BEEN MODIFIED to fit a standard TV screen" meaning just that.

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Plus with anamorphic dvds you dont have black bars with widescreen tv's

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I saw this in the theater when first released. Beautiful! And definitely widesceen. I still remember the first panoramic shot of the jungle after the first part of the movie that introduced the characters. Wonderful film! I'm still hoping it will eventually be on DVD in widescreen. I absolutely hate pan and scan. Maybe after Friedkin dies?

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1:66 It's not all that widescreen to begin with, but this is the aspect ratio. I am selling a widescreen laserdisc on ebay.

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The film was shot full-frame (academy ratio 1.33:1), so it was widescreen only in its theatrical presentation (1.66:1 or 1.85:1 depending on the theater), when the projector gate and screen aprons mask the top and bottom of the frame. This is why Friedkin hasn't pushed for a WS DVD release - as it is, we're truly seeing everything that he filmed. (A 4x3 TV screen is mathematically the same as a 1.33:1 film frame.)

This is pretty apparent in the absence of actual panning and scanning in the DVD. (Watch A League of Their Own on TV for the worst example of P&S you'll ever see...when the woman teaching the team to be "ladies" advocates night games. Trust me - you'll know it when you see it.)

Having managed a movie theater in a past life, I can tell you this is far from uncommon - that is, that films are shot full-frame, only to be "widescreen" on a theater screen. Usually, the director takes this into account, leaving items in the top or bottom "safety zone," knowing they won't show up on a theater screen. Find an old pan & scan VHS copy of Pee Wee's Big Adventure and you'll see some prime examples of this: as they pass a series of road signs at night, the dolly on which the signs are being pulled toward the camera are clearly visible. Watch Pee Wee pull miles of bike chain out of his basket, and it's clear there's a hole at the bottom of the basket and he's pulling through it.

A far worse example of this safety zone "neglect" was Vertical Limit. If you were unfortunate enough to see it in a theater where framing is a lost art, you were treated to clear shots of the stairs the actors were actually climbing (as opposed to a snowy mountainside) and, where they filmed indoors, the scaffolding supporting the sets.

But I digress...happily, Friedkin didn't allow such cheats to show in Sorcerer. Hence, seeing it 4x3 isn't nearly the offense it otherwise might be.

Nevertheless, I'm with all the others crying here for a special edition DVD...widescreen or full frame, it's still one of the greatest suspense films ever made.

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I need to sweep through my library. I SWEAR I've read a quote from Friedkin somewhere on the topic where he said he shot full-frame academy ratio - and as I said, that's why he didn't care that the laserdisc presentation wasn't letterboxed.

Of course, that doesn't explain the disappearing Arc, does it?

Oh, well...still my favorite!

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Friedkin didn't shoot all of his movies in widescreen. Sorcerer, Cruising, Boys in The Band, Deal of The Century were all shot in 1:33:1 aspect. If you do see these films letterboxed then they are "badmasked" (forced matte) in order to follow the widescreen craze.

Kubrick was also not a huge fan of widescreen films. That's why Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, and Paths of Glory are all full frame. In fact he threaten to sue Ted Turner in the mid 90's because TNT badmasked The Shining. They gave it a forced matte of 1:85:1 which is not the intended framing and was just as bad as panning and scanning it; instead of the sides getting chopped off, the top and bottom did

The Sting is another movie that has been badmasked recently. The 2 disc special edition is giving a 1:85:1 forced matte when it was shot in 1:33:1. Unfortunately George Roy Hill is not alive to contest the widescreen nuttery of the studio and public.

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I have to correct you on that. The Sting was shot in 1.85.

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as it is, we're truly seeing everything that he filmed

Well, that's simply not the case. Just compare the shot on the back cover with the same shot in the movie and you'll see how much is cropped.

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It wasn't shot in widescreen. It was shown in widescreen 1.66:1 to be exact. The 35MM print was simply matted when it played in theatres. So, yes, the version currently available on DVD is not the scope that was desired and shown in initial release, but it is not "pan and scan" as many suggest.

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I don't buy that... just check out the first couple of scenes in the DVD. The victim's head would be out of the frame if the 4:3 frame was matted down, and the Jerusalem skyline would be missing.

Here's hoping we'll get an HD widescreen version of the movie someday.

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I always thought that when they are fixing the trucks, at the end of the montage is an artificial pan (where the shovel is mounted and the truck reads "peligro".)

But, since so many are convinced it was shot flat....perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me.

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Hence the helicopter shader being visible at the beginning on the 1:33:1 versions.

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prfffff that age-old boring kubrick discussion

we don't KNOW how Kubrick would have wanted his movies released nowadays

keep in mind his decision (and Friedkin's as well) for 4x3 home releases was made before widescreen televisions became popular when tv's simply WERE 4x3

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From what I know and have experience in the frustration of owning *beep* "Full Screen" or Pan Scan DVD's...they all had to be replaced when I got a better TV, plus they just never looked natural. No one should be allowed to sell them anymore, even if some slackers still have old TV's. The original or the highway.

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The DVD spec allows for "on the fly" panning and scanning. According to SaSi at videohelp, "the P&S vector data are stored in "Picture display extension" headers immediately after the "Picture" headers" as part of the MPEG-2 stream. According to another discussion, it doesn't allow for zooming or squeezing or other effects that are sometimes used when preparing P&S versions normally. So, maybe that's why it is rarely if ever used.

So, where's the danged Blu-ray, anyway? Complaining about the lousy DVD is flogging a dead horse. We might as well be complaining about the lack of a widescreen laserdisc or CED or Fisher-Price PixelVision version.

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Criterion? You reading this?

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Gimme me Sorcerer in widescreen already!

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I saw this film, one of my all time favorites, about a week after it was released.
I remember it being in some kind of wide screen. I have read on the laser disc liner notes that it was actually shot in 1.66:1 ratio and that for the laser disc release Friedkin modified it down to the 1.33:1 we know today.

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I'd be willing to wager cash money that this year's blu-ray release will be framed at 1.78:1. There's an outside chance of 1.85:1, but definitely not 1.66:1. (Not to say that it'll be an accurate representation of theatrical presentation.)

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