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Anyone who knows something about roller coasters catch this error?


When they figure out that Timothy Bottoms character was on the first ride of Revolution they call to stop the second train from dispatching and are told that the train is already over the lifthill and they can't stop it.

All coasters have block braking systems, which means that the trains can be stopped just about anywhere on the track. All they had to do was apply the block brakes and wherever the train was it would come to a stop.

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Well, I noticed that but considering it was made in 1977, I don't really know if there was block brakes back then. If there were, they were just putting that in for effect and drama.

Please stop killing us, you know we're all so fond of dying.

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Are block brakes activated remotely?

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A bit of both for me. They might have been able to stop the train before the loop. But since the bomb was in the back seat, if Timothy had seen it stop,
he might have blown it up then. Since the brake sensors have improved in the last 30 years, I'm not sure how many changes the Revolution has gone thru.
Although, I thought it was stupid to put in shoulder harnesses in when they
only had lap bars in '77.

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Although, I thought it was stupid to put in shoulder harnesses in when they
only had lap bars in '77.

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though Revolution was a Looping roller coast (and the first looping coaster at that). Why would you say it's stupid to have shoulder harnesses on this coaster? I wouldn't go on a looping coaster with just a lap bar. I wasn't very thrilled to be on Goliath with just a lap bar, even though that didn't have any loops.

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In the old days, The Great American Revolution (its original name) did not have any shoulder harnesses. Didn't need 'em. The g-forces held you in your seat and I suppose the engineers never figured the cars could or would stop mid-loop.

I've heard from people who rode it in the old days that it was more fun, exciting, faster, and scarier. Unfortunately the ride has been wussified by adding extra brakes to tone down certain parts of it, and of course the extra shoulder harnesses. I have to admit, I hate those over-the-head shoulder harnesses. When I ride Revolution now, my head is always bumping on the side of those damn things.

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There used to be a ride at (coincidentally) Paramount's Great America (formerly known as Marriott's Great America) back in the late 70's, early 80's called the Willard's Whizzer. I think it's been moved somewhere to the east coast. Anyhow, that ride didn't have any type of restraints and used to go upwards of 60+. It didn't have any loops or corkscrews but it had sharp turns. Too many people fell out off the ride and it was eventually slowed down to about 45 mph, but that didn't help as people still died on the ride, so they eventually got rid of it.

Here you go, I found the website with history of roller coasters:
http://www.greatamericaparks.com/whizzer.html

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No lap bars or restraints at all? Now that's crazy! That's going too far, even for me!

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It did have the centrifugal force thing and you could hold on to the bars on the side or front.

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To BigRich. Ahem, most of what you said was complete garbage, No one ever fell out or off of Willard's Whizzer at either Great America parks, however there was an incident at I believe the Santa Clara park in which a pre-teen boy was crushed between two trains. However that had nothing to do with the rides restraints.

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Garbage? F.U. Jerk. Have you even ridden the Whizzer? NO? Well I have, several times back in the early 80's. And if any one that has ever ridden that ride or stood in line, that is all they ever talked about!

Marriott's Great America

The complaint against the Marriott Corporation follows an accident on March 29, 1980, in which a 14-year-old boy was killed and eight other persons injured when two cars of the Willard's Whizzer collided at the Great America park in Santa Clara. In the complaint the Commission charges that Marriott violated the law by not reporting a potential defect in the roller coaster's braking system of which Marriott was aware, according to the Commission, by September, 1979, at the latest.

In addition, CPSC staff is charging that Marriott was aware of at least 11 other instances in the Santa Clara park which occurred between 1976 and 1979 involving collisions in the station area of the roller coaster. A substantial number of injuries occurred in these accidents, although the exact number and severity of injuries remains unknown to the agency; there are believed to have been no fatalities involved in the earlier accidents at Santa Clara.

The CPSC complaint also cites two instances in 1976 in which accidents occurred on the Willard's Whizzer at the Great America in Gurnee, Illinois. One accident on July 24, 1976, resulted in injuries to 13 persons, and a second accident less than a month later (August 18, 1976) injured as many as 18 persons, according to the CPSC complaint.

Both complaints will result in public hearings conducted by a federal administrative law judge who will rule on the complaint at the conclusion of each hearing. The opinion of the administrative law judge, by law, may be appealed to the full Commission. Further appeal to a federal district court is available. Source:http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/prhtml80/80032.html


They don't specifically say in the report that people fell out, but any body that lived in this area and listen to the news can tell you otherwise.
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Unless the coasters were moving insanely slow, no one ever fell out. Again most of what you said was complete garbage.

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Takes garbage to know garbage jackass.

Just be quite. You're too young and too dumb to understand. You've never ridden the Whizzer and you never will so you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Just shut it and move on.

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Ok, I'll be quite, quite a jackass to you. How would you know I have never ridden the Whizzer ? And how am I the stupid one ? BTW it's spelled Q-U-I-E-T.

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The Whizzer has NEVER gone above 45 mph. It's not tall enough. Having operated the ride for over two years, I can guarantee that it's all garbage. And trains colliding does not equal falling out. People living in the area can say otherwise all they want, but it won't make it true.

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Anyone who lives in Cincinnati knows somebody who knows somebody who was at Kings Island the day the Bat crashed into a tree and killed a bunch of people. Doesn't mean it ever happened (it didn't!) but there are lots of people who will be happy to tell you that it did.

I've ridden the Whizzer at Great America in Chicago. Great ride, but it isn't much past 40 MPH. It's not tall enough to go any faster.

The Revolution could have been stopped out on the course (not just anywhere, but Revolution does have block brakes), but what difference would it have made once the train left the station? Blown up is still blown up!

Anybody else notice that the first gadget, the one on the Ocean View Rocket, was positioned in such a way that it probably would have been knocked off by the upstop wheels on the first train to pass by? Or that Harry never actually looks at the Rocket when he visits the park?

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Big Rich. I used to go to "Marriott's Great America" from when it opened around 1976.my brother worked on the "log ride"(but I digress)..... I NEVER KNEW people died on Williards Wizzard!?!? Never knew!! I will read that link you posted. Thanks!

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They also had a "Willard's Whizzer" at the Gurnee IL version of Marriott's Great America in the middle 1970s.  And you are correct; no restraints, no lap belts, no retaining bar — it was all about the centrifugal forces holding you in the seats.

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Not all coasters have block brakes on the track, expect at the end then. Look at almost every wooden rollercoasters, they don't have them.
So I don't know if there are block brakes on the track of Revolution.

But the movie has more strange things, never knew that they keep running a ride after a man got hit by a train. :p And taking a plush animal with you on the ride is not a problem too.

Nevertheless a nice movie.

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Anton Schwartzkopf's roller coasters were distinct in that they could run several trains at one time, the Revolution was no exception to the point it could run 4/5 trains at the same time, the ride is fitted with block brakes (they did have them in the 70's you can see them on each hill crest)

http://www.rcdb.com/ig130.htm?picture=16 if you look closely, you can see one train on the lift, the second train right after the second drop, the third train approaching the loop, the 4th train on the final helix and the fifth train parked behind the station.

The systems weren't complicated and the trains were tracked through the ride by a sensor map, the one that is seen when the train first ride is dispatched so they can keep track of each train and apply the brakes if a train approaches another block to early.

In the movie they only run one train (seems kind of odd for such an anticipated grand opening) They could have applied the block brakes when the train crested the lift, as another poster said the bomber would have seen the stopped trained and blown it up, it also would be a lot harder and take a lot longer to unload the passengers then it would have on the lift hill.

The only reason the shoulder harnesses were added to the ride was for insurance issues with Six Flags, the shoulder harnesses are completely unnecessary. The lap bars are designed to keep people in their seats if the ride gets stuck in the loop, this has never happened at Magic Mountain but happened on the looper at the West Edmonton mall, the front of the train was stuck upside down when the last car derailed and the train came to a screeching halt.

The ride is perfectly safe with just lap bars and there has never been an incident when someone has fallen out of the ride just because they were secured in with a lap bar instead of a shoulder harness.

I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way.

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Forget the blocking brake issue... When He places the bomb on the first coaster, The Rocket, he places it under the track where the upstop wheels run. If he had really done this and the bomb was rigged with C4 the minute an upstop wheel hit the mechanism it should have detonated the device or jarred it loose. Everytime A coaster passed this section it would have hit the bomb, infact he places the bomb on the track at 10:30-ish per the movie, when any park opens the rule of thumb is to always operate every ride for one full circuit empty, this includes rollercoasters, even though they have a daily morning inspection where maintenance would walk the track and perform test runs, but when an operator takes over they must run it empty too to make sure everything is in check.



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The bomb wasn't rigged with C4 however, as stated in the film it was a plastic explosive that was set to detonate on a remote signal. It is an error in the film regarding the bomb on the Rocket, but that concerns with the upstop wheels just simply not knocking the bomb off the track, regardless, none of the bombs would have detonated at all without the use of the transmitter.

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Hadn't watched it in a while and you are correct it is not C4.

He could have easily placed that bomb on the outer trim of the curved track wall. The device is so small no one would have noticed it anyway, plus once maintenance walks the track they don't go back up until the next day or unless something goes wrong and needs attention.

So now that it has been 34 years since the film was out... when do we see the remake?

I mean Hollywood has already destroyed some of my favorite childhood memories they might as well go all the way
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If you are correct I have learned something today. I always thought that C4 and plastic explosive were one and the same. However... I'm not and never was an expert on explosives.

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When the first bomb in the walkie talkie is made safe and they are examining it the tech guy, being asked about tracking where the parts came from says something on the line of "This is stuff you can buy in any hobby store, EVEN THE EXPLOSIVE IS HOME MADE"







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Do you really think that the truth in this case would have furthered the plot of the movie? My God !!!

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The revolution has 3 block brakes before the loop, on top of each hill. Back in those days, it ran 5 trains pretty comfortably.

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Of course that wouldn't have done a whole of good because at that point, the bomb was IN the roller coaster car.

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In regards to the sky bucket ride Hoyt orders the ride op to stop the ride, the ride op replies that he can't do that...the buckets are not attached to the cable at load and unload, so the argument for stopping the ride was unnecessary.

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