Lady Hijacker

She seemed to be European. Why would somone from a civilized country ally themselves with murderous/terrorist organizations like those representing Palestinians? Was she more of just a leftist revolutionary who lost her way even more? Any thoughts?


Two of the hijackers belonged to the German group The Baader-Meinhof group

Tuesday 8 July 2003 9pm-10.20pm; rpt Monday 14 July 12.45am-1.45am

How do you start a revolution in one of the world's richest, modern democracies? The Baader-Meinhof group, aka the Red Army Faction attempted to in 1970s West Germany with bombings, kidnaps and murders.

Ben Lewis' stylish film provides a unique insight into the notorious terrorist group and includes interviews with former RAF members and leaders of the West German government.


BBC Four: What was the attraction of the Baader-Meinhof Gang at the time?
Ben Lewis: Guilt. I think young Germans were very guilty about the past and Baader-Meinhof offered them an attractive and very simple way to absolve themselves of that guilt. When we say attractive, we don't mean they had a lot of supporters, we mean there were a lot of people who were quite attracted by them.

There were only a very small number of people doing these attacks and sheltering them. But a lot of school children thought they were cool. They wore leather jackets and were full of sexy girls and were run by a sexy guy. This was the German answer to the Rolling Stones. Typically, Germans couldn't come up with the Rolling Stones because they have to be very serious about things; so they came up with a terrorist group rather than a rock group.

BBC Four: Where did the Baader-Meinhof Gang get their influences from?
Ben Lewis: Mao and a few South American guerrilla leaders. In a way the most important thing about the Baader-Meinhof Gang is that they read the guerrilla theories of Che Guevara and Carlos Marighella and decided to translate it to Western Germany. Let's translate a manual for warfare in one of the world's poorest countries to a manual warfare in one of the world's richest. And a lot got lost in the translation.

BBC Four: Did you detect any remorse or regret in any of the surviving members you interviewed?
Ben Lewis: Not really. One guy, Horst Mahler, is now a lawyer for the German NPD, which is a far-right, latter-day Nazi Party. So he obviously thinks it was a bit of a cock-up. But the rest of them, they're against violence now. Not because they think it isn't justified against the imperial-capitalist conspiracy of America against the rest of the world, but that the forces of imperialism are too strong to be overcome. They have recanted. The trouble is, once you ask them about their political beliefs it's quite clear that logically most would support violence. The theoretical framework is still there for most of the people I talked to.

BBC Four: Do you think they've had lasting impact on Germany?
Ben Lewis: I don't. I think it was a total dead end. The German Left in the 1960s was a big, heterogeneous and colourful force. Out of that you got the Greens and the anti-nuclear movement. These things had a tremendous impact on German society. The Baader-Meinhof Gang was a sideshow really. I think they did an enormous amount of damage to the Left.


Maybe for a similar reason to why Europeans allied with the terrorist organisations such as Haganeh and the fascist-inspired Irgun and Lehi? Because they believed in a cause.

In the defence of pro-Palestinians, they at least support a group whose land was taken unlike the supporters of the aformentioned Zionist organisations who were just supporting the taking of the lands of another people.

"The game's afoot!"


Um... what mysterious "Europeans" allied themselves with the Jewish underground groups in British Mandate Palestine?

And in defense of pro-Israelis, they at least support a group with a legitimate claim to the land unlike the supporters of Palestinian terror organizations who want a Judenrein country.

Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.


Palestinians lived in the area for about a thousand years (ignoring descent from the Hebrews etc) whereas most of the Israeli Zionists emigrated in the 19th and 20th Centuries. Only a moron would claim that the Israelis have a strong claim to the land than the Palestinians.

Sorry, the Zionists were European colonists, the Palestinians were the main native ethnic group of Mandatory Palestine... the clue is in the name, idiot.

Formerly KingAngantyr


ContinentalOp wrote:
"Palestinians lived in the area for about a thousand years (ignoring descent from the Hebrews etc) whereas most of the Israeli Zionists emigrated in the 19th and 20th Centuries. Only a moron would claim that the Israelis have a strong claim to the land than the Palestinians."

Oh, really? How many peoples in the world can point to a 4,000 year history in their native land? The Jews can.

"Palestinians were the main native ethnic group of Mandatory Palestine... the clue is in the name, idiot."

Oh, really? When the Roman emperor renamed the land of Israel, Palestine, literally "the land of the Philistines", he was trying to erase the history of the Israeli people. The Philistines, who came from the Mediterranean and were not even Arabs, went out of existence as a race long before then.

During the centuries of different conquests and rulers in the land, there were always Jews there. The term "Palestinian" referred to anyone living in the land even up until 1948, wherefore many Jews had "Palestinian" in their passports. But during all the centuries, there was never a nation of people with a specific Palestinian identity or culture. Many Jews came in the 1800s and early 1900s, yes, most of them to escape anti-Semitic outbursts in Europe and Russia, but most of the grandfathers and grandmothers of the people today calling themselves Palestinians also came during this time, from Egypt, Jordan and other neighbouring countries. The UN even granted a special refugee status meaning that an Arab who hade been in the country for five years prior to the birth of the state of Israel, was a Palestinian.


looks like an evil Sally Field


MarieClaire Costello, who played her, gave an excellent performance. She also had a "look" that suited the character very well.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
-- Klingon proverb


There are two names listed for the German female hijacker; one is given in the film Victory at Entebbe, as Gabrielle Teichmann-Krieger, or in the wiki article on the incident, as Brigitte Kuhlmann


Europeans can be rather naive and easily led by stupid causes. It has been 15 years since this thread was started and I would say it has become far worse since than.