Will Tarantino surpass original?
Of the movies Tarantino has made, all are creations of his own inspired from others. Do you think his version should turn out to be completely unique or exactly like the original?
shareQT's version isn't a remake of this film people! it's just a film with the same title-QT is remaking The Dirty Dozen. or maybe he just is making a film with the exact same plot as the Dirty Dozen...which is what his Inglorious Bastards is...
you annoy the piss out of me ::pees with
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Wouldn't be hard to surpass the original as it was total crap.
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Indeed. I saw this movie maybe six or seven years ago when I read QT raving about it. I don't get it. It absolutely blows. It's like your basic eighties direct-to-video Menachem Golan-style Delta Force *beep*, but set in WW2 and...*extremely boring.* Chintzy action scenes, slack pace. What was QT thinking? Why not just remake CROSS OF IRON (which INGLORIOUS BASTARDS was ripped off from) anyway?
shareHa, how post modern, a rip off of a rip off. You know you'll watch anyway...
shareFor the record guys, QT likes the kinda movies that you guy's probably hate.
Fulci's Zombie Flesh Eaters, Ossorio's Blind Dead quartet, obscure films by Jess Franco, Sergio Corbucci, Joe D'Amato, Jack Starrett, Chang Cheh, Kinji Fukasaku, Shusuke Kaneko, Veljko Bulajic, Shigehiro Ozawa, Ringo Lam and Lam Ching Ying.
For if it was not for him you guy's probably wouldn't have heard of The Streetfighter, (Losers) Dirty Dozen On Wheels, Lone Wolf And Cub, City On Fire, Django, Invisible Dead, Flying Dagger, Plain Jane To The Rescue.
What I'm saying is that QT loves movies and that particularly obscure movies are all the more better. It's not that their plot is better or that they are
artistically profound. It's the fact that you have witnessed something that very few people in your circle have seen.
Before the advent of the internet and the current freedom and accessibility of rare movies I was over the moon when I tracked down a copy of Django Kill which had scenes from every known cut of the movie added. It didn't matter that the picture and sound were awful. The fact that I was seeing something that I wasn't supposed to was more of a thrill.
Now that QT is going to make Inglorious Bastards it'll have all the fan boys scrambling to get their hands on a copy, just like what happened with City on Fire, Lady Snow Blood, The Killing and Chungking Express.
In a BBC documentary filmed around the time of Pulp Fiction he said that he always wanted to do a guy's on a mission film and that Where Eagle's Dare was the best of these films.
Expand your tastes and diversify.
Experience and appreciate all cinema and not just what the so called "High Brow" critic's tell you.
Rant and lecture over.
"What I'm saying is that QT loves movies and that particularly obscure movies are all the more better."
Yeah, no *beep*. Easier to rip off without people noticing.
QT doesn't remake movies, he takes their ideas/visuals and makes it better. Most of the movies people complain that he steals from suck, or at the very least have serious problems.
shareQT takes plots and scene structure from other movies and re-writes the dialouge. I don't think this movie is going to be any good, it will be cool, but not sure if it will be good.
I think he's gotten to the point to where if anyone accuses him of plagerism, that hoards of fans will defend him and defy them until their dying breaths.
Case in point. QT steals every single idea from someone else. He has never shown any talent other than making people think he is a brilliant director. The only genre he explores are re-written re-makes.
Just read 1 out of every 5 posts after this one and I doubt a single person actually read what I wrote in it's entirity. I actually like QT a lot.
Sarcasm doesn't convey properly in text.
Go point by point.What did Tarantino steal in which movie?
sharePoint by point, so maybe you can understand:
The entire plot of Kill Bill was lifted from the Female Prisoner Scorpion series.
Daryl Hannah's eye patch was taken directly from Thriller: A Cruel Picture.
The famous "Ezekiel" monologue in Pulp Fiction was *not* written by Roger Avary (or QT, as some idiots think). It was taken directly from the opening of Sonny Chiba's Karate Kiba.
I thought Kill Bill was most influenced by Lady Snowblood.
You don't want to make me well. Just want to know what makes me sick.
Plagiarism according to Webster....
1. to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
2. to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
I'd like to hear of ONE time in which Tarentino tried to play a idea used by someone else as his own. I know I'm gonna get bashed for my name but I'm really not a QT fanboy. I liked Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown and Kill Bill were ok and I could tell how bad Death Proof was just from the trailers so I stayed away. But I hate it when people use the word plagiarism to describe him when it's obvious they have no idea what the word means.
I could tell how bad Death Proof was just from the trailers so I stayed away.
Bad move. Death Proof was a whole lotta fun. Hot chicks in muscle cars kicking ass. Exploitation-cinema at its finest.
The entire plot of Resevoir Dogs was lifted from City on Fire (Hong Kong)
By the way the only Original QT film is Jackie Brown because it was based on the Novel Rum Punch. Also a british film critic said that QT only writes dialog for space aliens
"The only genre he explores are re-written re-makes"
This statement is so idiotic and ironic!!
I'm a lot like my father, does that mean I'm ripping him off - NO
QT's films are a lot like the films that raised him, does that mean he is ripping them off - NO
Every great film or album has at least another one behind it that had a heavy influence on it - EVERY.
Filmmakers, and film watchers, are very unevoled since film is very young (100 years). The fact that QT's films seem very similar to others is only because of the times and the other films accessibility on DVD/internet.
Sergio Leone used to "steal" from other movies too.... Fistful Of Dollars was Yojimbo as a western and Once Upon A Time In The West took elements from lots of westerns before it.
shareWasn't Yojimbo based on Red Harvest - a novel from the 1920s? I believe Yojimbo, A Fistful of Dollars and Last Man Standing were all based on the novel and none had anything to do with each other theatrically.
shareYou're right. The irony of remaking Kurosawa's samurai films as westerns in the States is that Kurosawa's films were originally remakes of American westerns.
shareNo, Tarantino's only talent was NOT just making people think he had talent. For example he has a talent for dialog, of course. Some think his pop-culture-reference-spitting, cool, semi-realistic dialog is character defining, and others think it's the exact opposite. I definitely like his dialog, but more because it's cool than because it underlines his characters. Yet his real talent is taking other people ideas, and making the absolute best of them cinematically. His visual ideas are always extremely effectful.
But I'm always very ambivalent when it comes to Tarantino. His movies are extremely cool and so fourth. But I always watch them with that feeling that it's style-over-substance. They are shallow, having an over-all theme that just never gets explored further. Still I'll always love his movies. To me Tarantino represents a childish joy, a lust for exploring, and a love for cinema that few other directors show. Therefore to me, he's a motivator more than a mentor.
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There is nothing new under the sun. Everybody takes their ideas from everyone else. Generally, these are called "influences." You hear it music, see it in film and tv, read it in books and comics.
Tarantino has a gift for storytelling and dialogue. His direction and style are fresh and exciting against the repetitive Hollywood machine. That's what makes him stand out. It has nothing to do with plagerism or stealing. He is doing exactly what he enjoys doing, making movies that he'd like to see and I, for one, am extremely grateful that he has managed to be successful at it.
"It's all about this cooz who's a regular *beep* machine..."
The basic idea is fine. A bunch of war criminals kill a elite American team by accident and start doing their task. The plot starts of quite late in the original, but it is an idea which you can expend on quite easily.
Anyway, I *like* Castellari's film, mainly because of the tight directing.
I've always said that he makes good "bad" movies. He's highly influenced by exploitation cinema, and Death Proof is the perfect example of that. He made that movie with over long talking scenes on purpose, I guarantee that's what he did.
Winged freak... terrorizes... wait till they get a load of me. Ooooooop. Oop. Ha ha ha ha ha!
Yeh he sat there saying this scenes great but i don't want great i want to piss off the audience so let keep writing dialogue, that's what every writer wants.
shareYes... that's exactly what I said. Death Proof is techincally exquisite, which is the only reason I have watched it more than once. He has too much talent to make technical or visual mistakes. His "fault" in Death Proof is the over long talking scenes. He did it on purpose. It's a culture thing.
Winged freak... terrorizes... wait till they get a load of me. Ooooooop. Oop. Ha ha ha ha ha!
You said it best benny!! Thats all this guy does is rip off from other film makers, usually foreign at that!
shareIt's only plagiarism if you try to pass it off as your own idea. Tarantino has been very vocal about what he's influenced by and that all his films are basically remakes of the kinds of films he enjoyed watching while growing up. In fact, many people have been exposed to movies they otherwise would have never heard of because of Tarantino talking them up and pushing for reissues or DVD releases.
I'm sick of amateur film "experts" who jump on the "it's cool to bash Tarantino because he's not original" bandwagon. Who gives a *beep* if he's not original? Tarantino never claimed to be original. He's not trying to be Orson Welles, he just wants to make the kind of movies he enjoys watching. Nothing wrong with that.
Amen DP IL. Well put. I thought this was the board for INGLORIOUS BASTARDS not another "let's bash QT" board.
shareGotta ask why you bother watching them then? Why are you even here on this board? OBVIOUSLY you searched for this, read the replies and and even sillier had to post comments??? Unbelievable... No I take that back, it is completely believable, there are far too many of you unoriginal whiners who cannot grasp QT, his fans, his taste in films, and his films. All of you seem to think every film he is going to make needs to be a Pulp Fiction or it is crap. Keep on slamming the guy, it serves no purpose except to be a troll baiting arguments and then reporting people for insulting you and your ilk.
shareI've heard of all that stuff, before Tarantino ever made a movie. He's not the only guy to go to a grind house or work at a video store. If you're not stoned, most of that stuff looks like crap, with a few moments of brilliance.
share"What I'm saying is that QT loves movies and that particularly obscure movies are all the more better. It's not that their plot is better or that they are
artistically profound. It's the fact that you have witnessed something that very few people in your circle have seen."
That's a very juvenile attitude. Unless Tarantino is a total fool, and I don't think he is, he must legitimately like films such as Castellari's "Inglorious Bastards." I know I do. If he just enjoyed them for the cache of being the only one to know about obscure cinema, his pastiches wouldn't be nearly as good. He really loves these films, and it shows, especially in something like Kill Bill 2, which is very serious.
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So a rip off of a rip off is post modernism? That term has really lost its meaning now (if it ever really had one?)!!
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it's not a remake
shareCross of Iron....really?
Stop filling the internet with your *beep* useless opinions.
Jaz: "Wouldn't be hard to surpass the original as it was total crap. "
<Laughing not-quite-out-loud>
You betcha, Jaz. The "original" is almost total dreck. I generously give it 2/10. The Tarantino is surprisingly good.
Come on, everybody, see Séraphine!share
I agree whit you but is very curious that Bo Svenson is rumored to cast Inglorious Bastards
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