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Vivienne Wetwood


Why does Vivienne Westwood hate this film so much. For those who don't know, Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren were part of the same circle of artists and friends as Derek Jarman (the other notable members are Zhandra Rhodes, and the guy who started the Alternative Miss World competition), they were close enough that Jarman got invited, and was allowed to bring a camera to a Pistols gig; this is to date the earliest known footage of the band. But after this film came out Vivienne Westwood wrote a letter that she printed on her Seditionaries shirts and muslins complete with decapitated Queen postage stamp. But what gets me is she never said anything about Zhandra Rhodes who did a whole "Punk" gown collection that copied the Venus shirts Westwood sold. In fact Westwood has always been friendly enough to lend archive pieces to museums that are shown side by side with the Zhandra Rhodes gowns. So what is it that pissed her off so much? It has to be more than a film that exploits Punk b/c she was in the Great Rock n Roll Swindle.

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Well honey, you're words are insightful, but lets face it-despite that fact that she is rich and famous for catering to the appetite of the fashion industry (the most anti-Punk thing that ever happened to human society!) Vivienne Westwood considers herself to be the queen mother of punk, which is funny because shes a fashion designer and has made her name and reputation modelling her clothes on super-ordinary models.

"Always be a poet..."-Charles Baudelaire

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Well, first off, my name is not "honey", secondly this is jsut an opinion about Vivienne Westwood, not really an answer to my question. It seems to me like Westwood has for years tried to distance herself from the "punk" label. And I don't think she "caters to the appetite of the fashion industry" to this day critics call her designs unwearable. And yse, she is rich, but there's dozens of labels out there that make exact copies of her bondage trousers, and t-shirt prints, but she has never taken action against them. I mean selling t-shirts with pornographic prints to 13 year olds is alot more punk than making a thir-rate "A Clockwork Orange" knock-off. And to answer my own question, after watching the film again, alot of Westwood designs are used in the film, but she's given no credit.

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Going off what I remember, she hated the film simply because she didn't think it was any good. I may be wrong, but I think she described the film as "Middle-Class wank".. Or a very middle class interpertation of what Punk was about.

That said, I don't personally rate the film, but I liked some parts of it... I guess its nothing other than a time capsule piece than anything else.

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I saw Jenny Runacre interviewed about the film yesterday and she said Westwood went to the trouble of making tee-shirts saying how much she hated the film. Runacre said she's still got the teeshirt; she seemed pretty happy about it.

I don't know about Vivienne Westwood specifically, but I do recall that at the time the film was seen as an older, somewhat established artist trying to make a 'punk' film and getting it wrong. There was an almost Stalinist insistence on "authenticity" and "street" at the time, and "Jubilee" didn't fit the bill. The fact that there were no first rank punk bands in it, just second-string copyists like Adam and the Ants, was also raised as a criticism.

I think in retrospect all this was a bit daft. I loved the film when I first saw it in 1978 and I still do, in a way that I don't think it's possible to love say "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle". It's not actually trying to be a punk film, it's a Derek Jarman film/dreamscape inspired by some elements of the punk scene and other things which were going on at the time. You have to take it on its own merits, not see it as part of a 'movement'.

As the first response noted, Westwood was also probably annoyed because she felt that in some sense she 'owned' punk rock and hadn't been involved in this.

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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Here's the text of the teeshirt (courtesy of the V&A Museum, slightly corrected by me), so we have La Westwood's opinion in her own words, more or less:

I had been to see it once and thought it the most boring and therefore disgusting film I had ever seen. I went to see it again for after all, hadn't you pointed your nose in the right direction? Rather than deal with spectacular crap as other film makers do, you had looked at something here & now of absolute relevance to anybody in England with a brain still left let's call it soul. I first tried very hard to listen to every word spoken in the flashbacks to Eliz. I. What were you saying? Eliz: 'This vision exceedeth by far all expectation. Such an abstract never before I spied.' And so she went on - fal de ray la lu lullay the day! And John Dee spoke 'poetry' according to Time Out (those old left overs from a radio programme, involving a panel of precocious Sixth formers, called "Cabbages & Kings", whose maturity concerns being rather left from a position of safety) though even now I can remember no distinguishing phrase from amongst the drone, only the words, 'Down down down' (Right on)! And Ariel who flashed the sun in a mirror, & considered a diamond & had great contact lenses: 'Consider the world's diversity & worship it. By denying its multiplicity you deny your own true nature. Equality prevails not for god but for man's sake.' Consider that! What an insult to my VIRILITY! I'm a punk man! And as you use the values you give to punks as a warning, am I supposed to see old Elizabeth's england as some state of grace? Well, I'd rather consider that all this grand stuff and looking at diamonds is something to do with a gay (which you are) boy's love of dressing up & playing at charades. (Does he have a cock between his legs or doesn't he? Kinda thing)
As to the parts about the near future there were 2 good lines in it. Adam (kid): I don't care about the money I just don't wanna get ripped off.' (Funny) & Angel or Sphinx to Adam: 'Don't sign up', etc...Life is more exciting on the streets.' Accepted that no one would want any dealings with the clichéd figment of your fantasies, Borgia Ginze, what did the streets have to offer? Well, they then pinched a car to go visit a nutter with a garden of plastic flowers. They then went to the roof of a tower block to give out the kind of simplistic speil Alf Garnet, or rather Mick Jones of the Clash gives out. Is that your comment about the street? What you read in the music press? Good - the low budget, independent, using friends, none-equity aspect. Good that the non-equity members weren't required to act but allowed to say their lines as if reading from a little book inside their head, because what happened by result of this acting, as against non acting ability was that the performances depended for strength upon how much humanity the people behind the role possessed. Thus Jordan & Helen were good whereas Jenny Runacre's mediocrity of spirit bludgeoned through. Albeit - these aspects of your approach & style were anarchical, I am not interested in however interestingly you say nothing. [The Rule Britania Eurovision Song Contest was good because you said something - nationalism is vile & Eliz II is a commercial con trick]. Just like E.I.
An anarchist must say, 'Trust yourself'. It's the place to start. But self-indulgence is not the answer. You have to be brave & you are only a little. You have to cut the crap & not the cheese & chuck out - UGH - for instance, those Christian crucifixion fixations (sex is not frightening, honest) - "the pervasive reek of perverse & esoteric artinesss, the delight in degradation & decay simply for its beauties when stylized. An irresponsible movie. Don't remember punk this way" (all quoted from Chris Brazier in M. Maker)
But I ain't insecure enough, nor enough of a voyeur to get off watching a gay boy jerk off through the titillation of his masochistic tremblings. You pointed your nose in the right direction then you wanted. It was even more boring than Uncle Tom Don Letts' even lower budget film.

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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