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They Never Were Truly 'Independent'


They were always being bailed out by their neighbors. It was like it was supposed to be noble that they did every thing in the hardest way possible. They also gave no thought to what would happen in 15 or 20 years when Tom was too old to do the hard work he was doing to try and be independent. If they didn't have money in the bank, they'd wind up in a council house, dependent on the government.



This positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms! Terry-Thomas about US in 1963. Hasn't changed much!

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I was about to post the same thing.

How exactly were they independent?

How exactly is selling your own, self-created pottery NOT independent? How is it wrong? They didn't even have to sell it for money, they could have exchanged it for food and supplies. Heck, they did do a lot of similar exchanging, and Tom even did work for the corporation that he supposedly left, a couple of times, and even tried to make a deal with the boss later on, promising to work for them some more (though the boss didn't want him to, at that point).

What did they really want? To me, they looked like irresponsible, unrealistic children, who always leaned on others to bail them out, and at the same time, were incredibly cocky and snobbish about their incredible 'survival skills'.

They remind me of five-year-olds, who 'leave for Yukon', packing only a couple of sandwiches and a sled, and who have no realism about their plans.

We might as well face the facts; this is an inaccurate, unrealistic COMEDY SHOW, and the premise is meant to only be a SETTING for silly (and pretty unfunny, if you ask me) jokes, that mostly don't even really work.

Was their "independence" supposed to be "independence from money", or "independence from the rat race", or "independence from office work", or what?

Why would they stay residents in a 'nice neighbourghood', that's probably more expensive, than just moving to the country, finding a piece of land, and building their own house there, and truly roughing it out?

Why would they claim independence and 97% of the time, rely on their neighbourgs?

WHAT would have happened to them, and their "independence", without Jerry and Margo?

They weren't very systematic about it, their plans were ridiculous, and they would never have survived.

Also, the pilot episode points out to a completely different kind of show, with more pleasant people, funnier jokes and already-established 'farm'. Then suddenly, they don't even HAVE all the animals that were referred to?

Furthermore, was it really necessary to show all the animals, the butchered flesh of pigs, all the cruelty and animal abuse that goes with this kind of things? The pilot did this perfectly - we don't need to have our noses rubbed on the 'realism' (especially in an unrealistic show like this), when allusions would have worked much better anyway (imagining the pigs is more interesting than seeing them).

The pilot had so many things right..

(it had even a surprisingly low level of misandry, compared to the rest of the series, as is often the case with pilots (they often make me want to watch a show, only to then get disappointed, when the 'real show' begins, to see, that it HAS been watered down to the hollywhacked norms, whether it's a british comedy, or not)

..but then the actual show watered down those good things and destroyed the 'fun' feel of the pilot, making it just another, silly and misandristic, unrealistic sitcom, where men are constantly insulted, treated like slaves, and abused in numerous ways, and no one says anything about it.

Just count the times barbara insults Tom, without Tom insulting her back. I bet if you really took note and saw all those insults and 'the men animals'-references in a row, you would be a bit shocked as to how prevalent this feminazi-style man-hatred is.

There's no equality in this show, and the myths fly like the pigs should, whenever they proclaim 'independence'. Like, Tom says to barbara, that he is stronger than her, and blahblah. But he doesn't mention, that he's only PHYSICALLY stronger than him (though of course the 'superwoman' can beat up all the men easily, and Margo as well, because 'she's a better fighter', and thus she's allowed to make threats in a way that would never be accepted from a man. Equality?), but not SOCIALLY stronger.

If a man dares to even LOOK at a woman wrong, he's in for a lot of social trouble, and may end up in jail, just because a woman points a finger at him. This is not equality, and his physical strength doesn't help at all. Man is simply NOT ALLOWED TO _USE_ his physical strength against a woman, so that makes the man WEAKER THAN THE WOMAN.

This is a fact of reality that all the women smugly know, but the TV shows stupidly never show, creating another layer of misandry and myths about men somehow having more power than women (they really have much less). When you think of power, think of social power.

When you think of which gender has power and the help of governments, 'society' and all that, think of all the women's organizations. Then provide a list of men's organizations, and we can then see the naked truth. No one wants to help men, men are supposed to be strong and do it on their own. This is a huge responsibility, that women are always allowed to escape. And yet, we are supposed to treat them, like they are equally strong, and talk about equality, as if it somehow exists in this kind of a misandristic matriarchal system?

If the jokes were funny, I could try to bear with it and let some of this typically man-hating, feminazi crap fly - perhaps they couldn't help it, being blinded by the irrational, but emotionally powerful arguments of the rising feminazism, but by now, everyone should see the naked truth, and the sheer ugliness of misandry.

And before anyone says that misandry is somehow a NEW word, just look at "Unnknown history of Misandry"

http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.fi/

.. and see that you'd be wrong in thinking that. There have been intelligent people, who have noticed that 'equality' is very one-sided, already before feminazism really shoved this thing to new proportions, but we are not allowed to know that.. somehow, this stuff is not taught in schools!

By the way, it's the women, who are the chauvinist pigs against men in this show, and in this world. Tom hasn't done or said anything that could even be compared to what barbara and Margo have done to their husband. Just try imagining the roles/genders reversed whenever they are having this kind of interactions, and ask yourself; would they ever show it that way on TV? Would it still be called 'equality'?

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Good God, it's a lightweight 70s comedy, not a political treatise.

The entire premise is that it is a fundamentally silly, eccentric thing to be doing. It's a folly.

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Yeah you're right, *beep* this show.

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Revisiting the show :)
I love it, even though there are a ton of things not right with it.

The main thing being they were never EVER independent.

There's good jokes, fun episodes, fantastic actors, etc... but as mentioned, someone always bails them out.

As much as I like the show there are a few scenes that just irks me.


The main one is "The Weaver's Tale" S4E4.
I just can't stand Tom in this and no one takes him to task. (well, hardly)

He is willing for his best friends' marriage to suffer in order to use them to buy what he wants/can't afford (a spinning wheel, after he spends what little money they have on a loom) Oh Barbara gets onto him, but no one drives it home that he is NOT independent at all.



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