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I never got why Abby married Tom


She really wanted nothing to do with raising kids. I just watched an episode on In2TV where Abby goes back to school full time and there's no one around to watch Nicholas. When Tom complains, Abby tells him to go ask one of the kids, and acts like it's only his problem, and not hers. During that conversation, I don't even think she looked up from the book she was reading. She later plays the martyr and says she'll quit school, but Tom solves the problem by getting everyone to give up one afternoon a week to be with Nicholas. Guess who was the only one who didn't give up an afternoon? Abby.

I think the producers went a little overboard in creating a character who was as different from Joan as possible.

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This show wasn't the Brady Bunch. When a woman marries a man with 8 kids, there's going to be problems.

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Besides, she married Tom, not the family.

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I loved Abby and she was my favorite character and I remember the episode discussed here. The thing that always baffled me, and don't get me wrong here because I've never lost a spouse, but Tom had just lost his wife to cancer like 6 months before he met Abby and yet he married Abby 2 months after meeting her. It all seemed a bit rushed to me. I always though that Tom and Abby should have married at the end of season 2 in may, not in november after she had just debuted in september.

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I don't remember those episodes, but IMO, it would have been better had Tom been a single parent and raised all those kids by himself, of course, with the older children pitching in. Heck, those "kids" were very old from my point of view and were more than affluent at helping raise Nicolas.

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That was ABC's doing - they didn't want the show to be about a single parent. They gave the producers the choice of recasting the role of Joan, or bringing in a new stepmother very quickly.

I don't believe they ever stated exactly how Joan died. The actress who played her died of cancer, but I believe in one episode, Tom Bradford stated that he never got the chance to say goodbye to Joan, implying her death was quick and unexpected, not a prolonged illness.

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In defense of the producers, they did throw in a line indicating that Joan had died "about a year ago." It was a few months in real time, but in the story he did not start dating until a year had passed. If you can imagine raising eight kids alone, you might better understand his reason for wanting to get married again ASAP.

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jimmymulholland-1 wrotte: "they did throw in a line indicating that Joan had died "about a year ago." "

No they did not! Joan's death is not mention often and the only indication of when it happened was when Abby and Tom are talking soon after they meet. Abby had thought that Joan had died some time ago and Tom said that it was recently.

They did say that Frank Abbott, Abby's first husband had died 9 years ago when Abby said that when she met an old "friend" that one year of marriage turned into 9 more as a widow.

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jimmymulholland-1 wrotte: "they did throw in a line indicating that Joan had died "about a year ago." "

No they did not! Joan's death is not mentioned often and the only indication of when it happened was when Abby and Tom are talking soon after they meet. Abby had thought that Joan had died some time ago and Tom said that it was recently.

Besides, how could it be "about a year ago" when Joan had time to buy Tommy a Christmas gift before she died and then Abby finds it the very next Xmas when she's only been married to Tom a little over one month?

Abby did say that Frank Abbott, Abby's first husband had died 9 years ago when Abby said to an old "friend" that one year of marriage turned into 9 more as a widow.


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I believe there was a reference in an ep that Joan died in an accident. RE: the time frame...in s2 ep 2 Trial Marriage...we meet Abby who is going to tutor Tommy for five weeks...so from the beginning of that ep to the end it was five weeks. So we can't take these eps in REAL time because in fiction land time may drag on or go by quickly. So while Tom and Abby married in November *which was SWEEPS MONTH* It wasn't necessarily only two months after meeting. Joan did die "recently"...in their world when Abby first arrives but by the time that Tom and Abby marry time can be assumed to have passed.

RE: Abby's attitude with the whole watching Nicholas...I didn't think she was trying to totally get out of her motherly duties. She just wanted help as she was in school and with several others around the house she SHOULD have help around there. Also, I disagree that she seemed to not want to be a mom to hthe kids. Quite the contrary, Abby fit right in even when the others would sometimes push her away. She most often remained understanding of their feelings, yet still managed to be there for them when they needed her. Thus over time she did in fact become their mom.

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Kids also watched themselves a little bit more back then. There were parents who basically told their kids to go outside and come back when the streetlights start to come on.

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Re: Joan's death...I do believe she died in a plane crash as she was on assignment as a freelance photographer. (The actress, Diana Hyland, died of cancer).

OK, while the network jumped the gun a bit marrying them off so quickly, I liked the idea of Tom and Abby.I DO think, however, they could've waited until either the end of s2 or beginning of s3 to marry them.

Abby was good for Tom and those kids. She had a relationship with just about all of them...even the oldest of them although they really did not need a lot of "mothering". There are quite a few episodes in this series where you really see how much of an impact she has on that family....especially Nicholas, Tommy and Elizabeth. One of my favorite episodes is "Big Shoes, Little Feet" because Abby is the only one to really 'get it' why Nicholas was having such a difficult time. There is another one, I forget the name, but Abby is subbing at the high school, and Tommy is almost being bullied into cheating. Good scene between Abby and Tommy.

Another really good episode if "The Graduates"...the episode when Elizabeth is graduating form high school and Joanie, from college. Joanie was having a really difficult time because she was missing her mom. She and Abby get into it but in the end the make up scene is worth it because it was very good dialogue between Step-mother and step-daughter.

As for the episode in question, I THINK that is the ep "Ten Ships Sailing in the Night" or something like that...another good ep. It is not that Abby doesn't want to bother with whatever Tom is complaining about. In fact, many times Abby is the one to sacrifice her day in some way. It is that she is a mom/teacher/doctorate student. She only has so much time in her already busy day to study. She is also trying to help run a household and work part time. Most often in the series, Abby is there for her hubby and kids. Tom, when working, is usually to be left alone until he's done. That has been the rule. Although on occasion, the kids will break the rule to run into the study for advice.

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Why did Abby marry Tom? Because it was written in the script.

I imagine a man with that many children might be eager to remarry after his wife passed away. But all his children were adults or close to it. The only one who was younger than high school age was Nicholas.

I guess they didn't have after school programs for Nicholas in Sacramento in the '70s.

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As nice as it would have been if Joan didn't die, Abby was indeed a good woman. Most widows with zero children wouldn't have married widowers with eight. She did, and I admire that.

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Define realistic. Sound of Music was based on a real family and it had a single woman marrying a widower with multiple children.

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5 of the 8 kids were already grown with 2 more a couple of years away. So really there was only one child while all of the rest were adults or soon to be adults.

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Your, mine and ours...the story of a woman with kids who marries a man with kids, and they have kids of their own. There and its been done twice in the movies. You said its not realistic, when I gave you a real life case, you said one wasn't enough.

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I completely understand what you mean.

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I soured on the show when Abby joined the family, and the kids couldn't have been meaner to her, short of poisoning her food or sticking a rattlesnake in her bed.

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I thought they put up with a lot because of Abby like her sickning parents, her rude nephew, etc.

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I liked Tom who put up with her punk nephew and her annoying parents.

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Well to be fair, Abby put up with a LOT more. There were EIGHT kids to deal with and they weren't always loving to Abby.

And Tom didn't initially want to put up with Jeremy. He wanted to put him in a Foster Home. Tom told Abby that her responsibility was "here and with the family". Then Abby got in his face and said, "How dare you question my responsibility to this family. I accepted you and your family with all it's problems a long time ago". Then Abby stormed out of the bedroom. By that time, Tom had figured out what he had done was wrong.

It was the right thing to do to take in Jeremy. It shouldn't be all about Tom's family.

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Good points. Yes she has had to deal with his eight kids. But Jeremy was rude and nasty and not his kin. His eight kids were nice to her however.

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Jeremy was added in because Abby's sister was having trouble raising him and felt he needed a firm hand.

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