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The Rolling Stone magazine is retarded...


They proclaimed that "Like A Rolling Stone" was the greatest rock song of all time..........WTF are they out of their minds?? Not only waas "Stairway to heaven not number 1 it comes in at number 31 on their list of top 500 rock songs of all time...are you kiddin me! this is an outrage..If anyone other Led heads are pizzed off at this please let this topic be a vent for you... i wanna hear hoW mad you are..

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thats sooooo stupid like with the heck it should be any 1 of led zeppelins amazing songs

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I can only think that it must have something to do with the name 'Rolling Stone' as number 2 is Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones ... surely more than just a coincidence?

If you check out the whole list - it's so far out it's laughable.

"The 172 voters, who included Brian Wilson, Joni Mitchell and Wilco's Jeff Tweedy...."

Well - there you go, that just sums it up doesn't it.... and who the f'ck is Jeff Tweedy?????

I need a new cig

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Jeff Tweedy is pretty famous, and an awesome musician.

Goo Goo G'Joob

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Not in this neck of the woods and certainly not alongside Zep, Stones, Dylan etc etc.

If you want to get good results ....

I was just a child then, now I'm only a man

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Umm what neck of the woods are you referring to? Yes obviously he isn't on the level of fame as the Rolling Stones. We should only consider the opinions of people as big as Zeppelin???

Goo Goo G'Joob

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Led Zeppelin is, for the most part, my favourite band. They're probably .001 below the Stones.

That being said, Zep sure have MUCH better songs than "Stairway".

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such as Achilles Last Stand.

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Yep.

Heck, Stairway to Heaven isn't even the best song on the fourth album. And that's not a slam on Stairway to Heaven.

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"When The Levee Breaks" is their best moment.

Javier H. Moreno
www.cacaorock.com

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I think Achilles Last Stand is Zep's best song.

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Achilles Last Stand is there best song hands down

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no imigrant songis leds best song

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Anyone that puts zeppelin above the Rolling Stones is a moron. But i wouldn't expect anyone who sees zeppelin as better to understand the Stones anyway, they'd be way to much for them to handle.

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Rolling stone does this all the time, always bashes zeppelin like that. Even back in the 70's, they bashed every zeppelin album, just to try to seem cool, and say "look, if we can dismiss this greatness, more people will belive we truly are greater than god". Thats the explaination.

If it doesent burn on the way out, it wasent worth eating.

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i wish people wouldn't compare zep and the stones. it makes no sense. led zep are a hard rock/blues band, and the stones are rhythm and blues. how can you compare them? its all down to personal preference, so stop insulting each other. you sound moronic. that said, i also disagree with rolling stone on this list. but stop blaming Jeff Tweedy! Wilco are a brilliant band. Listen to their Yankee Hotel Foxtrot album and you'll see what i mean. it's superb.

"I'm drownin' here and you're describing the water!"

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Bob you are quite right, people should stop comparing Led Zep to The Stones. One is an average pub rock band which has a singer with an ego the size of London and a guitarist with a huge drug problem who ripped off blues artists from the twenties, and the other is Led Zeppelin!!! LOL

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i like that mickjdud. perked up my sunday afternoon no end!

"I'm drownin' here and you're describing the water!"

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I don't think Led Zeppelin should be compared to anything cos there were so many different and AMAZING bands back then.
But sure, go ahead and compare them to MOST things nowadays and they would win hands down (I said MOST not all)

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Who can you name nowadays that are better than Led Zeppelin? There are some great bands around today, but they're not a patch on bands like Led Zep, The Stones, etc. Todays bands were influenced by those old groups, and are just reinterpreting the material. Some do it very well, but you have to say that most of them wouldn't be about if it wasn't for the groups of the 60's and 70's. There's no such thing as originality in music anymore, just reinterpretation.

"I'm drownin' here and you're describing the water!"

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Hey China Groove, The Stones were great in the 70s. But Led Zep was way too powerful with music, style, songwriting and more. I love the Stones of the 70s as much as Zeppelin but after SOME GIRLS CD which was about 1979 they should have slowed down and created music like the 70s. The last 20 years has been sounding bad. They should re-invent some of that 70s stuff. Jimmy Page (whom the stones love) did work for them in the 70s also. Mick and Keith are good but now ????

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All bands stole/steal from others. But to think Led didn't do it is patently false. As that old saying goes,"good artists borrow,while great artists steal". And Zep damn sure stole their fair share,not only ripping off old bluesmen but folk artists as well. Just a small list of their most egregious thievery:

# "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
# "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
# "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
# "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
# "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
# "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
# "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
# "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
# "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
# "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
# "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
# "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
# "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
# "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
# "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
# "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love.

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That is a a stupid view.Stealing means copying.Zeppelin certainly didn't play the songs as the originals,not even close.They just borrowed the base riff and sometimes the lyrical theme of old blues/folk songs,which was a custom way before them,every single blues artist(of course apart from the original songwriters) did the same.That was their way to pay homage to the bluesmen who shaped and created music which turned into rock'n'roll,but they didn't play blues per se.That was the beauty of Led Zeppelin,and although the fact that they didn't credit the original authors was a major dickery,i am sure they didn't set out to rip off old blues and sell it in a new dress,as they made no attempt to hide their inspirations.

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Jimmy Page. Keith Richards???? Jimmy Page. Keith Richards??????? Jimmmmy Page. Keith Richards??????????????????????????????? The best Keef ever got was "can't you hear me knocking" His syncopation was genuinely eerie- he was on it, his intuition was exact. he was also stoned on heroin, apparently. buttt, check song remains the same, live version and compare it to ANYTHING the stones EVER did. for me- no comparison. the stones, as keef once said, "are sort of like a mom and pop corner store-' we keep it going on. Which is cool, in a way. But the fire? the flame, the sweat inducing pyrotechnics- wo, did he just do what I think he did? Aaaaaaaah---

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'Can't You Hear me Knocking' isn't even Keith Richards, its Mick Taylor, who was probably better than Richards anyway

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"Bob you are quite right, people should stop comparing Led Zep to The Stones. One is an average pub rock band which has a singer with an ego the size of London and a guitarist with a huge drug problem who ripped off blues artists from the twenties, and the other is Led Zeppelin!!! LOL "


wow.....and Led Zepp didn't rip off any blues artists from the 20's either......and their guitarist didn't have a huge drug problem either......amazing insight there.

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Rolling Stone officially "Lost it" in the late 1970's and they've been rolling like lead stones down the hill ever since. I have never subscribed to this sanctimonious rag... and never will!

It is still today, for the most part, a useless mouthpiece/vehicle for Jann Wenner. The fact he gives Mick Jagger's "Goddess in the Doorway" CD 5 stars is beyond anyone's guess. I mean, Jagger and the Stones are/were great, and I must admit the last Stones collection " A Bigger Bang" was not a bad disc, but it is apparent that certain artists are "gods" to Jann Wenner. Two UNTOUCHABLE bands to Mr. Wenner are the Beatles (and anyone affiliated with them, including Yoko Ono) and the Stones (same scenario).

When it came to Led Zeppelin, most of the idiots running Rolling Stone slagged them, or at best, gave them left-handed compliments. Surprisingly, it was young Cameron Crowe who had the insight to see what the old fogies at RS couldn't. His words were so enlightening, Led Zepplin included them as the official liner notes for the Soundtrack to the film: "The Song Remain the Same".

Cameron Crowe is gone, as are the wonderful photographs by Annie Leibovitz. RS is an angry shell of what rock and roll is about. I wouldn't get too worked up if Led Zeppelin is not at the top of THEIR lists. Keep in mind, LZ was always one of the highest grossing bands of all time, and ceratinly box office setters in their day. The fans always spoke louder on the bottom line than any critic. I think the fact LZ kept such a low profile from the rock press, even to this day, that certain "press" decided to alienate themselves from their greatness.

I guess those who can write or perform great songs can always write for Rolling Stone?

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Rolling Stone magazine has always treated the Zeppelin like crap. They were the ones who criticized Led Zeppelin IV and Stairway when it came out. All they care about is their precious Stones and Beatles and anything else to sell a magazine. If they did their research theyd find that the band who has sold the most albums besides the beatles is Zeppelin, and that doesnt count the thousands of boot-legged material that has been sold.
What really makes me mad is how lowly they rate Page. Page is easily one of the greatest guitar players of all time (easily outstripping the goldenchild Clapton) and is much better than Hendrix, even though Hendrix is amazing. I'd rate only one or two above Page.
But in the end, Stairway to Heaven is the greatest song of all time, Zeppelin is the best band of all time, and Page is the greatest rocker of all time.

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