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Brando Was Putting Everyone On


I think Brando has achieved the status to some fans that anything he did was fine art.

In the context of Brando's great performances; "Streetcar", "Godfather", "Last Tango", etc., this performance is the equivalent of Brando passing gas on film and all his fans reacting as if it was genius.

I read once that the Picasso was at an exclusive restaurant with friends and someone asked him what was it like to be Picasso. Picasso replied by drawing a few doodles on a napkin and paying for the dinner with it.

Brando grew to hate Hollywood and frequently did his best to show his contempt for the whole movie making process.

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I thought that Brando gave a very colorful, if somewhat tongue-in-cheek performance. Sure, he hammed it up a lot, but Robert Lee Clayton was a memorable character.

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Although capable of giving incredibly good performances, Brando was also a self-indulgent fool who became convinced that EVERYTHING he did was genius. He was wrong, and this film shows it.

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Brando would be the first one to tell you he's no genius. He hated people saying that about his craft. Yes, Brando was self-indulgent but he was no fool. And yes, Brando got cynical but who's wouldn't in that profession, but he always had that subversive, playful, mocking and highly astute intelligence. Director Arthur Penn said that wants his actors to give him "their anarchy" and noone did that better than Brando. Penn loved Brando and found him thrilling to work with. By the way some of the "fans" who do believe that Brando was a genius to name a few are Lawrence Olivier, Elia Kazan, Karl Malden, John Turturro, Johnny Depp, Stella Adler, James Cann, Jack Nicholson, Jane Fonda, Bernardo Bertolucci, Gillo Pontecorvo. If you don't like Brando, than fine, but don't let your ignorance rule over.



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Great answer man. Right on!!

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Don't forget Lee Strasberg, father of "the Method" that spawned the careers of Marilyn Monroe, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, James Dean, Steve Buschemi, Alec Baldwin, Ray Liotta, Uma Thurman... to name a few.

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Of course the accent came and went. He was mental! And if you're referring to the scene with Randy Quaid then I think you need to rewatch the film.

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One person who was not a fan of Brando was Arthur Penn. Penn found Brando "thrilling" in the same way that petulant teenage rebellion could be found thrilling. In truth, Penn would have replaced Brando if he could. He had a slew of fine actors on this film, but he also had Brando. Brando almost destroyed the film.

Brando had a pattern of uncooperative behavior. Penn tried to direct Brando, but Brando refused. Personally, I would have liked to have seen this movie done professionally.

It's not just that Brando was hard to work with. Brando refused to take direction at all. He would blow his lines. They would have a retake. He would blow them again -- on purpose. Eventually, Penn gave in and let the old fool do whatever he wanted.

That was Brando.

If your idea of a fine actor is somebody who does whatever he wants, then Brando was tops. But if you believe that acting takes skill, then thousands of actors tower over Brando.

In short, I, and millions of others, believe that Brando's popularity is due to his personality, rather than his acting skills. When you hired him, you hired him to act as Brando. Brando was a minor thug in real life, and essentially, always played a thug of one kind or another. That is the real Brando that you see on the screen. It just isn't acting.






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what crap - penn talks so fondly of brando
"Im just a bum sitting in a motor home on a film set, BRANDO said, and they come looking for ZEUS".

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Geeze, fella. I've seen people fight tooth and nail and then "talk fondly" of each other.

I remember when my next-door neighbor was out on the porch screaming that he loved his wife.

The cops still asked him to put down his gun.

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Have you seen Last Tango? I don't think a greater performance has ever been given.

So I guess I'm a hipster ?

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Maybe a good performance, but I was never more bored throughout a film.

... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli

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Agree with all that you have written....but Brando,a minor thug...I do not get?

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Just because a performance is over the top, hammy, and unrealistic doesn't mean that there isn't real talent and skill involved. Scenery chewing is fine, as long as it's intentional and the end result leaves an impression and entertains. I can think of some other scenery chewing parts that I love to watch: try Jack Nicholson in "The Shining," Robert Duvall in "The Lightship," or Nicol Williamson as Merlin in "Excalibur." All hammy, and all great.

Furthermore, I wouldn't seve say that Brando's performance as Robert E. Lee Clayton in "Missouri Breaks" was that much more over the top than as his Col. Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now" or many other roles where he gets high praise. The point is, he still leaves an impression, unlike so many of today's lackluster "superstars."

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Self-indulgence is Hollywood's goal. It's when they think they should rule politics that it becomes dangerous to normal folks.

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Re: "Brando was also a self-indulgent fool who became convinced that EVERYTHING he did was genius. He was wrong, and this film shows it."

If that's true then why does the viewer's attention perk up every time Brando's oddball character, Lee Clayton, appears on screen? This was one of Brando's most interesting roles, a fearless, intimidating outcast who made his living killing rustlers. He was a loner who didn't care about money and, actually, WANTED to be put out of his misery (as the bubble bath scene shows).

But Brando fumbled the ball sometimes, like his performance as a big oil tycoon in "The Formula," which came off as more of a performance than a real person. Still, he was entertaining and that's the name of the game.

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Wrong pal,I was an extra on the film and there was only tension between Mr Nicholson and Mr Brando both Irishmen.

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funny stuff.



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Exactly!

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Very well put, elwyn1932. While I'm a fan of Mr. Brando and consider him a genius, I don't believe everything he did in film was brilliant. His performance in The Missouri Breaks, however, made what could otherwise have been a run-of-the-mill, menacing killer for hire role into a humorous yet cold-blooded, memorable, one-of-a-kind character (that doesn't detract from the picture, imo). If that isn't genius...

Some people seem to think that Mr. Brando's performance in this movie showed his contempt for the film industry and disrespect for his co-stars, but all I see is someone trying very hard not to be bored. And in the process, he elevated the movie from quaint and forgettable to very entertaining and memorable enough to warrant postings on the imdb message board.

Someone, somewhere posted the address to Jack Nicholson's Rolling Stone article about Marlon Brando after his death, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. But here is an excerpt that shows some insight into Nicholson's thoughts about working with Mr. Brando:

For me, the toughest experience I ever had with Brando came during making The Missouri Breaks together. We talked about doing many projects together over the years, but that’s the only time it actually came together. I think Marlon probably had more fun shooting The Missouri Breaks than any movie he did. He liked all the guys in the movie. We were out in Montana. He lived out on the ranch where the movie was shot. He liked being close to nature. He was in his element.

I, on the other hand, was a mess. Somewhere deep in my subconscious was always this idea: “One day you’re going to be working with Marlon Brando, and you better be ready, Jack.”

It started off fine. In our first scene, he’s a killer, and I’m hiding out from him. Whatever feelings I had of being intimidated seemed to fit this scene. Then one night after that I made a big mistake: I watched some of Brando’s dailies. This was a scene where he’s sitting there with John McLiam. I watched nine or ten takes of this same scene. Each take was an art film in itself. I sat there stunned by the variety, the depth, the amount of silent articulation of what a scene meant. It was all there. It was one of the wildest things I ever put my eyes on.

The next day I woke up completely destroyed. The full catastrophe of it hit me overnight: “Holy *beep* who do you think you are, Jack? You’re in a movie with Marlon Brando!” I was totally annihilated by him. I thought, “What if they decide to hang me for being so crazy as to think I could be in the same country with this guy, much less in the same movie?” Our director, Arthur Penn, really had to nurse me back to health just to get me to continue on with the picture.

So I mean it when I say that if you can’t appreciate Brando, I wouldn’t know how to talk to you. If there’s anything obvious in life, this is it. Other actors don’t go around discussing who is the best actor in the world, because it’s obvious – Marlon Brando is.

(Btw, Nicholson equated Brando to Picasso and wrote, "some people are incapable of not being brilliant." I guess he's one of those fans that can mistake Brando passing gas for genius.)


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I agree. In some ways this was the best thing he did because the character was invented from the ground up. You can see that happening and if you like acting you'll appreciate this. The Nightcomers gives a similar memorable performance and with a very similar accent. There's an evil in this that's jocular: a really strange combination. No one was as physical as this guy. Sharing a carrot with your horse!!! Man that takes the cake! This movie really... what would it have been without that performance. Sorry, this isn't a mailed in performance. And I'd rather have a scribble by Picasso than hard work by an unimaginative painter too!!!!

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I would agree that Brando's performance marked something of a put-on. It's eccentric and morbidly memorable in its own right (Brando was just that kind of actor), but rather than disciplining his portrayal, I think that he sensed the problems with the script and film and amused himself with tawdry outlandishness instead.

The problem, however, is that Nicholson was playing his part very straight and honestly, so The Missouri Breaks becomes uneven, with Brando in one place, the script in another, and Nicholson and director Arthur Penn in yet another.

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My problem with Brando is he looked down on acting and if he really felt that way,then be man enough to walk away and stop wasting the time of directors and other actors.Even though they were friends,I read that Nicholson couldn't stand working with Brando because he would show up late and pretty much be a jerk to everyone.

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you had to reign him in (no pun intended). kazan could do that. others didn't know to. and if they didn't, he had contempt for them and went over the top on PURPOSE. he knew this performance especially with the bonnet was a joke and didn't give a sh*t. he got his money and left.

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This post explains it all. Nicholson admitting that Brando acted circles around him with little effort. Kudos to you, Jack! My opinion of Mr. Nicholson just got a little higher. Thanks for the enlightening post ash131! ps. I liked the film.

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Ash,
Thanks for sharing the quotes by Nicholson! Very nice.

... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli

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Disagree. This is a key 70's Western. Brando and Nicholson both do some some great acting (as do all the cast), and certain scenes - Brando's death, and Nicholson confronting the rancher Braxton, are both moving and unsettling,

Unfortunately the DVD we have here in Australia (PAL) is a pretty bad transfer, esp. the interiors - grainy and slight (but noticeable) colour shifts. How is the picture quality on the NTSC US DVD? Best wishes from OZ.

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I would say that 95% of people who are now only seeing this film for the first time are doing so out interest in Brando's wonderfully eccentric, ostentatious performance as Robert E. Clayton.

Terrorism is the war of the poor, war the terrorism of the rich - Peter Ustinov

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Looks like I'm one of the few here who wasn't Brando's best and most trusted confidants...

little people...

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So many people claim that Brando was the greatest actor, ever. They say that other actors consider him to be the greatest actor, ever.

I have never liked him; I don't think he was a good actor; I regard him as a pretentious blow-hard and a ham. I don't think that "On the Waterfront" shows us a genius Brando, I think it shows us what Brando was then and what he remained until he died -- a pretentious poseur. A good actor lets you forget that he is acting. Brando never, ever, managed that, at all. He was always posturing and acting the drama queen. I cannot think of one film I liked him in.

The only worse actor than Brando was his little supplicant, adoring, worshipful monkey, James Dean. When it came to being a pretentious, fake intellectual and a walking, talking exaggeration, Dean won the prize. The one thing he did that was really good was that he didn't bore film audiences for anywhere near the length of time that Brando did.

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Meh.

This movie marks the beginning of Brando's 'take the money and run' final period. Soon they'd have to shoot him from the waist up because he didn't even bother to put on his pants.

Brando's last movie where he really became the character was 'Tango'.


A method actor becomes the character, if only for a brief time. Not once in this movie did I ever forget I was watching the real Brando as he really must have been in his decline, ordering fast food and ice cream at 3AM.







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Came over here because I've just finished watching 'Free Money' (1998), Brando's next to last movie, and his performance in that reminded of his in The Missouri Breaks.

If someone wants to call Brando's performance in Missouri Breaks 'brilliant' that's fine with me, no skin off my nose, but I see it as more an expression of contempt (ditto his work in Free Money.) This mucking around seems to be a pattern of his after Last Tango.

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Well there are some pompous folks here. I enjoyed Brando's portrayal.Was it his best? No,but it was a fun role for him.Some of you need to lighten-up!

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Look, buddy, I love the Three Stooges movies, and I would choose them over Brando every time. That doesn't mean that I think they are great actors. I just like their movies.

You like Brando. Great.

But why defend his acting if you believe that "even when he phones it in, or *beep* around, it's something to talk about"? That's not a sign that you like his acting. You just like his personality.



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That's not a sign that you like his acting. You just like his personality.

What an odd thing to say. I for one don't know anything about his personality. Never met him. I loved his acting in this film.

... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli

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Most of the actors are Irishmen,Great film...cannot be duplicated ever.

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I have to disagree with most of you.

I think Brando's performance in this film was brilliant. You can never tell if the character is serious or not, or even what his real emotions are. - And that's exactly the point.

Without Brando, this film would have just been a quirky western.

If it has a failing, it's in the direction / editing, as that mental swordplay between the two men could have been brought out more, especially at the end.

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So, the people on this thread who thought Brando never gave a good performance after Tango never saw A Dry White Season?

I'm in the camp who think Brando's performance made this movie, and (spoilers) I was let down after his character died knowing there was still more movie to go without him.

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When I saw Brando I said to myself, "for the first time, someone has captured what these regulators were really like". Like, how did Brando know so much about how they moved and talked? He was so authentic; I'll bet this hastened John Wayne's death, knowing he never came up with a performance like this in his 35 years of making westerns.

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"for the first time, someone has captured what these regulators were really like"
Brando played a lone psychopath. His job as a regulator in the movie was given a lot of license, not close to factual.

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