I found this film to be unwatchable


I still watched it, but man, was I bored.
I'm a 90's baby so I guess it's part of my generation, lol.


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this ain't entertainment,
it's a Cassavetes film.
In other words, a challenging, exhausting experience.
My kind of film!

Maybe, as a bridge between 90's baby-dom and difficult 70's cinema, you should see Margot at the Wedding and/or The Squid and the Whale directed by Noah Baumbach. It's still an uncomfortable, emotional ride, but it moves at a steadier pace.

I give you props for making it all the way through!

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Same here. However, I watch and enjoy movies from all periods and the 70's are one of my favorite periods. Now I wanted to check out Cassavetes, because I only knew him as an actor. Was this the wrong movie to start with? Or will I hate everything else, if I hated this one? I think Gazzara is a damn good actor. But the whole thing was more like a two-hour improv, which could have easily be trimmed down to an hour and still be unwatchable.

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Was this the wrong movie to start with? Or will I hate everything else, if I hated this one?

It's not a good sign TBH. This is pretty representative of his work, at least stylistically, but I wouldn't give up until you've seen at least one of the films with a distraught Gena Rowlands. These focus more often on domestic turmoil and/or mental illness. The wide acclaim for "A Woman Under the Influence", for instance, is not hard to understand.
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Yeah, I've rented A Woman Under the Influence and thought it was better. But again, I thought the performances (Rowlands of course, but also Falk) were better than the movie itself. So I guess his cinema is not quite my cup of tea.

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Perhaps I am unusual or just indifferent to my generation, however, I thoroughly enjoy a challenging film experience and therefore found The Killing of a Chinese Bookie exceptionally rewarding. One's unfamiliarity with the work of John Cassavetes, or at least oblivious to who he truly was and the type of films he strived to create, could make for a disastrous film experience, especially if one is expecting to be comfortably entertained.

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I bought it because it was a Criterion release and thought all of the movies they release are supposed to be great. Two sitting and I made it to the end of the 135 minute version. I agree on the unwatchable. So Cassavetes wanted real strippers because he wanted realism in return he got a bunch of girls who couldn't act for crap. Looking at their faces they looked like they were high on coke the whole time. Look a the tall blond, she looks blasted. If I was making a movie about strippers she's the first I'd hire, but not in a speaking role. My 2 cents.

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Typical simpleminded buffoon: "If I was making a movie about strippers." If you thought that this film was suppose to be about "strippers," then you don't even deserve to watch Cassavetes.

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Noah Baumbach is an overrated piece of sh!t.

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Yeah that doesn't surprise me if you were born in the 90's. It's all the long takes and, for better or worse, things are just so much more calculated and polished now. I find with my daughter it's often the same with music. The 70's WERE indulgent. But if you're willing to take another shot at a Ben Gazzara film, I'd recommend SAINT JACK. He's did a lot of good work.

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Cassavetes was a great writer (and director in the sense that he got great performances from his leads), but, man, this guy couldn't record sound for sh!t. It might have just been the DVD for this film, but the soundtrack was borderline inaudible. I heard a lot of noise but I had a hard time understanding what was being said.

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Nothing to do with any generations, Cassavetes just had this terribly blabbery and kinda goofy style - like his earlier Faces, this one just aimlessly meanders along with lots of sitting around and chatting, with very little really happening at all. All pretty dull, underdramatized to a fault. And boy these loooong scenes of those awful stage shows that at one time went on for some 6-7 minutes nonstop... that´s truly grating. In fact the whole thing´s put together in a way that just don´t work, the assassination plot being completely out of whack with the rest of the film (and taken separately, it never builds up any suspense or tension, either). And in the end Gazzara just babbles and babbles and babbles on some more, nearly 15 minutes of that no-show. Really don´t get that stuff... or, rather, I do get the concept of concentrating on the parts that are the ones usually left out in this type of movie, but in a large part, it didn´t really seem to work all that well.



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I'm a "90's baby" as well. Born in '93 and I also don't much care for this film at all. I mean, the first hour is nothing but a very slow exposition of how sleazy Cosmo is. It just feels incredibly unnecessary and irritating. I mean, after the first half hour we get it. He's an idiotic scumbag with delusions of grandeur, running one of the trashiest, tackiest strip clubs around. Too much time was wasted trying to beat this idea into the head of the viewer. The time spent after the killing feels very drawn out and empty as well. Cosmo should have died shortly after he was shot and yet, he carries on for hours afterward as if nothing has happened. Also, as Franz says, the scenes of the club were incredibly grating. They focused entirely too much time on the shows. There were many times when I was tempted to turn it off, but I managed to sit through the whole thing.

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I was born in '90 on the nose and found this far from unwatchable, but it was a bit of a chore to get through.

I have 0 problem with slow burn art-house kinda stuff, and I absolutely loved the whole visual style and Gazzarra was great, but I really do need SOMETHING I can latch on to. This just gives you absolutely nothing.

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Sounds like arty hypesville by an elitist snob.

I've seen both versions and the 108 version is better. It makes the story tighter and doesn't drift off into watching paint peel self-indulgence like the longer cut does. The short version actually makes it bearable to watch.

Grow up.

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I just got done finishing the 135-minute version of The Killing of a Chinese Bookie. While it wasn’t bad, I could never really get into The Killing of a Chinese Bookie. Maybe with time and a rewatch, the film might get better, but I appreciate what John Cassavetes was trying to say with this film and along with that, Ben Gazzara’s performance. On top of that, I thought that The Killing of a Chinese Bookie was very well shot but just a hard film to enjoy. Maybe I'll catch the shorter version to see if I like that more.

As much as I like John Cassavetes and his whole avante-garde and iconoclastic approach on cinema, my only problem with him is his films can drag a bit and they are somewhat hard to enjoy. I did like A Woman Under the Influence but partly because of Gena Rowlands.

5/10 to be honest


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I kinda liked it, maybe because it defies modern cinema or maybe a bottle helped. Maybe both.

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Makes the story tighter but also dumber and less compelling.



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