Why didnt they kill the Russians? - Cross of Iron (1977) Discussion

[–] Varrick 19 years ago

About Nazi guy: Zoll, the answer is simple, if you listen to what Steiner said to Russian women “Now we are even!”

Steiner hated what his men did to Russians.
They hit them, tried to rape them. Steiner stopped them, but only Nazi guy did stupid thing.

In the movie it wasn’t clearly seen, but after Steiner said “Now we’re even” he locked all Russian women into a barn so that he and his men can get away safely.

About Private Dietz stubbed by a blond Russian, I think Steiner didn’t kill her, because he heard what Dietz said at his last moment “Don’t hurt the girl.”

What kind of words continue after this?

“Don’t hurt the girl.
In the war, nobody’s guilty.
Nobody’s innocent.
One thing clear is
War is crazy……”

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[–] HenryCW 19 years ago

Frankly, I also find this part of the film a little difficult to believe. The soldiers in Steiner's group (except the Nazi) appeared to be the nicest and most humane guys in all armies in World War II. I don't have as much difficulty in accepting their sparing the life of the Russian boy (and thus disobeying Stranky's orders) at the beginning of the movie. The boy was probably too frightened to fight: he apparently did not take part in the shootout and was only found later by one of Steiner's men. They could have killed him when they destroyed the Russian outpost, but having taken him prisoner, shooting him would appear to be murder.

But the encounter with the Russian women is a different story. They were soldiers - armed and dangerous. Clearly, the woman who bit off part of the Nazi's anatomy and the one who murdered the young German soldier had not expected to live, and in fact the former was immediately clubbed to death. In answer to your questions, I think the script writer would say that the German soldiers disliked the Nazi and were glad to see him disposed of by the Russian women. As for the woman who killed the young German soldier, she was spared because the boy asked Steiner not to hurt her. I don't find that convincing. First, it is unlikely that you care about some stranger who had just stabbed you in the stomach. Secondly, even if the boy asked, I don't think any commander would have listened. The soldiers would have shot the women or at least tied them up before leaving. As it is, it would not be long before the women soldiers get out of the barn and inform the Russians where Steiner's group had gone. Even if the women did not succeed in freeing themselves, it would not be long before the Russians would find them (note one of the women was operating a wireless set - in other words communicating with someone - just before the Germans came in).

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[–] dkiltz 19 years ago

Well, the Über-Nazi' is a rapist and Steiner doesn't like it. He thinks he got what he deserved. Certainly, killing the Russian women soldiers would've been the sad normality in the war. However, such things as depicted in the movie are clearly documented. It might be difficult to imagine from the outside but there were German soldiers that, although believing it to be their duty to fight the war, profoundly hated nazism. Also, there is the aspect that Steiner simply doesn't want to kill more than he has to. He just can't stand it anymore. That kind of thing also happened.

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[–] Hammerfanatic46 16 years ago

Gordon P. Clarkson

As a Military History enthusiast I know You are right about many German soldiers not liking the Nazis.Most of the German High Command were always anti-Nazi and there were plots to assasinate Hitler at least as early as 1941.

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[–] overninethousand 15 years ago

Hardly "most" and "always".

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[–] cemetery_mink 19 years ago

I don't get the "now we're even" comment.

They stab one of the Germans. One of the Germans kills a Russian. Okay, at that point they could be considered 'even'

Then, Steiner leaves the Nazi to be killed by the Russians. How does that make them 'even'?

It's also worth noting that, although Steiner gave the Nazi a pretty severe speech about killing him if he placed his duty to the Party above his duty to the Platoon, the Nazi never actually does cross Steiner in that way. So, there's even less reason to kill the Nazi.

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[–] xeno_genesis 19 years ago

I think this is one of those scenes in the film that fails to make sense because of the "unfinished" nature of the film.

The book (on which the film is based) leaves you with no doubt that Steiner thought the rape was past the limit of what was acceptable and leaves the soldier in question to the women as punishment.

The film pre-judges this character by making him a Waffen SS man on 'secondment' as a reinforcement to Steiner’s platoon, but in the book (if I remember correctly) he's just a regular army guy with an ugly opportunist's attitude towards sex in war.

In the book there is some debate about what the platoon should do with the Russian women - in the end Steiner decides to take what weapons they could carry, ditch the rest in a nearby river and then lock the women up.

It is important to remember that the author, Willi Heinrich, is a veteran of the very campaign featured in the book and film there are those on the internet who believe, through the account of those that served with Heinrich, that Steiner is based on a real sergeant known to Heinrich so it is more than possible that such an event actually happened.

Remember that the Germans during WWII were human and capable of showing mercy just as much as the allies were of barbarity (anyone remember the scene in 'The Longest Day' where the American GI says, after shooting dead surrendering Germans, "I wonder what 'bitte bitte' means?").

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[–] unknownbanana 18 years ago

NO, the man is prejudged as SS special action squad. NOT waffen (fighting) - SS. The Waffen SS wasnt hated by the army, as they were soldiers too, experiencing largely the same things. the SS - Special Action Squad was part of the Allgemeine (general) SS, who didnt fight but took care of Jews. Please dont judge the Waffen SS and throw them in with camp guards etc.

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[–] ZeGerman 18 years ago

Maybe Steiner was just fed up with all the killing. It did seem unrealistic and strange to me though. Ok they are females, but the moment they start to pick up guns and try to shoot and kill you, they are just another enemy soldier. And morality would quickly dissapear in such conditions. So killing them all would have been more logical.

But maybe Steiner just wanted to redeem himself in some sort of way.

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[–] tom_grainger88 10 years ago

they were enemy soldiers yes, but once you have them disarmed and captured, male or female, no one who can call themselves a soldier would murder them. the idea that needless execution seems logical to some people is either worrying or shows they have never been in such a situation. most soldiers believe in honour and kill when they have to, not when there is an option, if you spend a lot of time confronted with the idea that you may be captured yourself or the fact that you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life everything you did, you would probably hesitate a lot before just killing, and plenty of soldiers have taken the moral option rather than just becoming petty killers.

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[–] warm4yrfrm 18 years ago

>>>Please dont judge the Waffen SS and throw them in with camp guards etc.<<<

Yeah the blood oath was just going thru the paces. The belief in racial superiority was just a myth. The Russians killed SS on sight just because they hated the letters "SS" together-not because they were the biggest pieces of crap ever to live. You're grandpa was German SS? Nice he has descendents-and millions of better people don't.

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[–] zen0x 16 years ago

warm4yrfrm - Shush and stop being an idiot.

The Wehrmacht were the normal run of the mill military and the Waffen SS were specialist commando units under control of the Wehrmacht. Not all SS were were rabid genocidal individuals and in fact the Waffen SS shared their man power pool with the Wehrmacht and thus saying that Nazi's or SS officers were incredibly bad people is ridiculous. Your ignorance is clear but at the very least I would have thought you would have herd of Oscar Schindler and he was a high ranking member of the Nazi party.

So you owe him an apology and all those German soldiers who were enlisted to the Waffen SS which had nothing to do with any genocidal incidents which you have just spat on.

Before you ask I am British and proud of it which just goes to show you want a wally you are.

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[–] sergemaster 18 years ago

This is totally incorrect because you could NOT serve in the Wehrmacht and also be in the Nazi party, also the remark that Zoll was a member of an "SS special action squad" and "courtesy of Captain Stransky" still makes even less sense, because if Zoll was a member of the SS, he wouldn't be wearing a Heer uniform UNLESS he was a member the Polizei Battalion that would fall under control of the SS but he would be fighting partisans, not serving in a front line unit.

But the kicker is that Stransky HATED the Nazi's and considered himself a so called "Prussian Aristocrat and an officer in the Heer" so the chances of him wanting or getting an SS man into an Army platoon pretty far fetched.

Another thing to remember about the "now we're even" speech is that Steiner KIILS one of the women when they barge into the hut, when she shoots first at him when he enters the doorway.. He's later seen comforting the dying girl so this is where the "we're even" part figures in... The Deitz episode, she got a pass...

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[–] bradstory 18 years ago

"You could NOT serve in the Wehrmacht and also be in the Nazi party"

That's not quite a hard-and-fast rule. Several high ranking Wehrmacht generals and admirals were party members in good standing for several years. Take a close look at a picture of Keitel or Jodl wearing a party badge on their left pocket. You might be surprised. Among them was Rommel himself...

The rule was that they couldn't be 'poitical', or politically active, not a membership ban. Thus a Heer officer couldn't be a party functionary: conflict of interest.

The Zoll thing is a bit contrived. An SS man that got out of control was usually sent to a Strafbatallion (Penal Battalion), not a Heer Aufklarungs zug (German Recon platoon). Fact is, most SS Einsatzgruppen men that went off the deep end usually ended up killing themselves.

I'm not too sure about permanent SS transfers to the Heer. It was usually the opposite: Heer men transferring to the SS. There have been documented cases of new SS divisions having a Heer training cadre while being formed and fitted out for combat. Those men in the training cadre retained their Heer uniforms throughout unless they opted for an SS transfer.

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[–] Ehrgeiz 18 years ago

@ bradstory: you are right about the factual procedure. But do they really say in the movie that Zoll did serve in a SS-Unit before? I`ve watched it many times and cannot remember this. I just remind a reference that he was a NSDAP-party member.

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[–] bradstory 18 years ago

That all depends on what you classify as SS, Steve. If you are referring solely to the men in the Waffen SS serving with frontline units such as LSSAH, Das Reich, Wiking, Frundsberg, Hohenstaufen, etc. you may have a point as there are certainly many documented cases of the Wehrmacht committing atrocities.

However: if the definition is expanded to include the SS men in organizations like the Einsatzgruppen, I strongly disagree. The Wehrmacht was not present at Babi Yar or any of the mass roundups and executions that occurred in the east beyond a handful of bystanders that witnessed it.

Also, the 4th SS 'Polizei' division was comprised largely of recruited policemen. Zoll could have been from there, but it just isn't specified beyond 'Special Action squad', which leads me to believe Einsatzgruppen.

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[–] JRotten9802 17 years ago

Yes, honestly, it can really be chalked up to the fact that Steiner was a decent guy caught up in a sea of horror. And Stransky, regardless of political leaning, still had no umbrage about sacrificing the lives of men to staisfy his glory. But, hey, isn't that all wars?

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[–] xenodrone 17 years ago

I dont by that much either I would have wasted all the women at the point germany was really losing the war the Russians showed no mercy to germany women at the end of WW2.

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[–] axecrox 16 years ago

I too find the treatment of the Russian women to be strangely lenient. But reading the accounts of German soldiers on the Eastern front you get the impression that many Germans could be very soft on their enemies. You have to remember that our view of the Germans is clouded by 65 odd years of Left wing Propaganda telling us what evil types they were. In reality they were ordinary men from a very civilised (unusually civilised) highly cultured western European nation. Their ruling political party had policies that we regard as uncivilised but that did not automatically turn the whole of the German nation into avid Nazis.

Leaving the Russian women alive is actually a very believable thing for the Germans to do. In my opinion it was the wrong thing to do. I would have killed them all (maybe even raped the fit ones first too if im honest). but hey, im not as civilised as the Germans were.

Also rape was a very serious crime in both the Wermacht and the Waffen SS as well as morally in German society. German rapists and looters were severely punished by their own army. Therefore the fact that Steiner is so outraged with the man who rapes (sort of) the russian is entirely believable.

Steiner hating this man because he is a Nazi is also believable for the kind of person Steiner is. He would probably have left any officer to die as well as he doubtless hates most of them too. But we have to be careful with this type of stereotype as well. It is clear that post war Allied attitudes to the Nazis was the reason why so many Germans told stories of how much they hated them (the Americans actually planned to execute every nsdap party member until they realised they numbered in the millions-had the Americans carried out this plan it would in itself have been a crime against humanity but i doubt that anyone American would be tried for it).

Today it is a bit of a cliche in war films that depict German soldiers as showing a good guy or two as hating the nazis whilst still fighting for his nation. It makes for acceptible reading to Allied propagandists but there isnt much evidence that this was how it really was until very late in the war.

I assure you that if it suddenly looked as if the Iraqi's were about to conquer and occupy the USA then many millions of Americans would quickly forget that they ever voted for Bush and they'd be out on the streets burning effigies of him quickly enough if need be lol.

History shows us that most soldiers from most nations and most wars in history would have raped and killed the Russian women if they were in that situation. However history also shows us that the only soldiers who would likely have been punished for this crime were the Germans of world war two. Every one else over the cinturies has in the past and will in the future get away with it. For this reason alone i cant bring myself to stand on a soap box saying how evil the Germans are, they were no worse (and in many cases better) than practically every other army in war since time began.

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[–] vimhawk 16 years ago

History tells us that it is in the nature of humans to obey orders, however unpleasant those orders are, when they think they will not be punished for it and particularly when someone else takes responsibility (like a senior rank).

Regardless of how civilised we claim to be, humanity breaks down all too quickly when certain circumstances present themselves. It is a tiny proportion of people that, in reality, would not carry out tasks that from the perspective of the safety and comfort of our normal life, seem to be disgusting or inhuman.

For a very minor insight into human psychology on this, check out Milgram's experiments.

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[–] wulfthar 13 years ago

That's all BS: Himmler's orders were to kill all women in uniform. That was the official order on the Eastern front regarding soviet women in the Army, not leftist propaganda.

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[–] paintedbird 10 years ago

you're disgusting.

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[–] overninethousand 15 years ago

Um, to begin with - all German civilian and paramilitary policemen were under the control of the SS.

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[–] frankzappayay 11 years ago

I think that they shoot at least one of the women when they storm the building.

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[–] CmdrCody 18 years ago

Why didn't Steiner kill the Russian women? For several reasons.

Steiner, while a clever and deadly soldier, had an inner quality of humanity and intellect. He refused to lower hemself to the ruthless beast level of Captain Stransky or the outsider "Uber-Nazi" assigned to his squad. So lining up the Russian women and shooting them would be clearly out of character, even as his squad was trapped behind Russian lines.

Steiner saw an opportunity to rid himself of the "Uber-Nazi" by locking him in the barn with the Russian women. He enjoyed the war's little ironies and he created one himself.

Also, Steiner saw the opportunity for mercy with the Russian women to atone for other nasty things required of him in previous fighting. In fact, his presence in the Kuban bridgehead, so far away from his native Germany, was a personal embarrassment. The fact he fought so well and so hard was simply for the brotherhood of his platoon...not the Nazi ideology, a point very obvious.

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[–] mike-greggory 18 years ago

The book is perhaps a little more realistic in terms of motives for leaving the women alive. In reference to the book: Steiner was going to kill the Russian women as he could not risk them being left alive to inform the soviet forces that his squad was stuck behind enemy lines. He did however consider who in his squad might object to such an action. It became unnecessary to kill the women as an elderly soldier being help captive with the women escaped after one of the women created a diversion by tempting Zoll who was guarding them. Zoll raped the woman and was caught by Steiner who subsequently locked him in closet and left him to the mercy of the women (who later beat him to death). Because the elderly soldier escaped Steiner did not kill the women as it served no purpose as the elderly soldier had already escaped to raise the alarm. The rest of the squad thought Zoll had simply deserted. Steiners reason for leaving zoll to be killed by the women was not just because of the rape, but the fact he *beep* up leaving the squad at risk. Dietz was not killed by the women but later killed by enemy gunfire.

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[–] the__jin 16 years ago

I think one of the main reasons he left the guy to die was the fact that they couldn't take him with them. He'd just had his knob bitten off. Without proper medical equipment or treatment, he'd bleed out pretty quickly OR die of infection anyway. He'd tried to rape a girl, Steiner didn't like him, and he would have been unable to walk. Taking him with them therefore wasn't viable for the safety of the squad. Earlier in the film, we hear how Steiner didn't go looking for a lost squad member as he felt it would be an unnessary risk to his men. Although he says he won't do it again, we can assume he was lying as he only said it to shut up his senior officer.

That's my 2 cents anyway...

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[–] lambrettaguy200 16 years ago

Sorry, I haven't had the chance to read all the posts here but, as far as I'm aware:-

1) The Waffen-SS officially became the fourth part of the Wehrmacht in 1944 (Heer, Kreigsmarine, Luftwaffe and Waffen-SS). From then, the W-SS and Heer shared recruitment facilities and the W-SS had equal entitlement to recruits.
2) The W-SS increasingly used conscripts, initially from other branches of the SS, but later from the other parts of the Wehrmacht, such as the Luftwaffe.
3) "Germans" increasingly meant Volksdeutsch (ethnic Germans of other nationalities) as well as Reichsdeutsch (German or Austrian-born). The W-SS used considerable numbers of Volksdeutsch.
4) The W-SS increasingly used foreign volunteers "Freiwilligen" in the W-SS. Non-volksdeutsch nationalities and backgrounds in W-SS divisions and legions included:- Dutch (over 50,000), Belgians (both Flemish and Walloons had separate units), French, Italians, Spanish, Swiss, Finns, Norwegians, Danish, Swedish, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians, Bosnians, Croatians, Albanians, Russians, Russian "stans", Muslims from the Balkans, India etc, Sikhs, Hindus - and yes the unthinkable - even British, South Africans and Australians served in the W-SS (though in small numbers).
5) By the end of the war, nearly 1,000,000 people owed some form of allegiance to the Waffen-SS. Also, toward the end of the war, the number of foreigners in the W-SS exceeeded the number of Germans in it.
6) Waffen-SS troops who failed in their duty, eg sleeping on duty, were (unless a shortage of fighting troops demanded they stay) sent to penal units, which by mid-war meant duty in concentration camps or in special SS units (extermination squads). Dirlewanger's Brigade was such a unit.

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[–] lambrettaguy200 16 years ago

And don't forget the Hungarians - 2 W-SS divisions of them ! Waffen-Kavalerie Div der SS "Maria Theresa" and Waffen Div der SS "Hunyadi" (Hunyadi had a bit of a reputation during their partisan operations)

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[–] lambrettaguy200 16 years ago

If they ever make a film about Vladislav Kaminski's POHA Brigade (original 29th SS Bde) and its part in suppressing the 1944 Warsaw Rising, along with their soul-mates, the Dirlewanger Bde (later 36th SS Div), it will make Sam Peckinpah, Cross of Iron and all the reality war movies since look like springtime in Central Park.

They were so deranged that reputedly even the SS disowned them. Apparently, the origins of this unit lay in Ukranian anti-communist groups who resisted the Red Army and Bolshovist para-militaries in the Ukraine in 1940/2. Kaminski's village of anti-Communist guerrillas was attacked and massacred by Communist partisans and he and his survivors later offered their services to the Germans who were pushing out the Red Army. The Germans gave promises of autonomy etc and Kaminski's followers, an organisation called RONA (POHA in Cyrillic alphabet), recruited fellow-Ukranians. They assisted Germans in anti-partisan sweeps and proved highly effective. However, after a while, their quality declined with casualties and frequency of their type of work (you get to like it too much) and they became involved increasingly in atrocities. Kaminski meantime, kept a close trusted bodyguard of Ukranians around him.

As this was happening, a rival pro-German Russian group had surfaced and was gaining support from the Germans - Andrei Vlasov's ROA (POA). Vlasov was an ex-Red Army general.

In mid-1944, Kaminski's unit was ordered to Warsaw to help put down the rising. Even their advance to Warsaw was bathed in blood and in one particular incident, they attacked a women's maternity hospital and raped and killed the pregnant women and also the nurses. They had crossed the line, for the hospital was meant for pregnant ethnic-Germans and Germans who emigrated from Germany to Poland in 1939 onward and moreover, was staffed by German nurses.

Their part in the suppression of the Warsaw Rising was a study in murder and brutal inhumanity of an intensity noticeable even on the Eastern Front. Their soulmates, Dirlewanger's Brigade was just as murderous and out of control. They were commanded by Dr Oskar Dirlewanger, an unstable sociopath who had spent time in prison for sexual assaults on children, but who was released by his old friend, Adolf Hitler as Dirlewanger was destined for greater things.

After the rising was over, the results of Kaminski's work could be seen all over. The army demanded an inquiry and even seasoned SS men who were in Warsaw also or who heard the news, were surprised by the barbarity shown by Kaminski and Dirlewanger.

Soon after, Kaminski was summoned to a conference in Germany with Himmler and senior SS officials. He was not allowed bring his bodyguard. What awaited him however, beyond the help of his men, was a Gestapo firing-squad. Today, debate still rolls on. Was he executed 1) because even hard-line Germans were sickened by his men's excesses (SS apologetists use this line), 2) was it because he touched "sacred" German women considered totally off-base to Ukranians (this must have infuriated many Germans) and lastly, 3) was it because Hitler was now backing Vlasov's ROA forces and Kaminski was an unwelcome, inefficient and embarrassing rival who needed to be liquidated ? (that sounds most likely to me). The conference cover-story was purely to separate him from his bodyguards and isolate him for execution. His RONA was disbanded and the men distributed amongst other units.

Meanwhile, Direlwanger's Brigade, equally guilty of Warsaw excesses, were not prosecuted by the Wehrmacht and existed till the end of the war. Dirlewanger ended the war as a prisoner of the French Army, until one day Polish soldiers were admitted to his cell and they beat him to death !

As for Kaminski's 29th Waffen Div der SS (Kaminski Brigade), the number and name disappeared off the books forever and soon the number was taken over by a completely separate new division of Italian fascists who had joined with the Germans after Italy's collapse.

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[–] teacher_tom516 15 years ago

What I kind of find interesting is how Kaminski started out almost like the guys in Ed Zwick's DEFIANCE - just a guy protecting his own, it seems. And then by Warsaw 1944 he's a monster. That would make an interesting character study.

If anyone has the stomach for it... here's an account of the fighting for Warsaw. I hope Dirlewanger and his thugs are roasting somewhere very hot.

http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/schenk.htm

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[–] overninethousand 15 years ago

If they ever make a film about Vladislav Kaminski's POHA Brigade

Bronislav, RONA, Russians (as in "R" in RONA, Russian National Liberation Army). Raped-killed 2 German girls in Warsaw and looted for themselves (corruption).

Dirlewanger's friend was not Adolf Hitler but "merely" Gottlob Berger (after the war only sentenced for prison).

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[–] chrismahon2005 14 years ago

Probably because they were deep in Russian controlled areas, and if they had been caught by them, and they had then found out they had killed a load of there women, its obvious they would get a more horrific fate then normal.

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[–] overninethousand 14 years ago

Learn how to answer on IMDb, son.

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[–] Darknessviking 12 years ago

well the biggest thing about that whole scene is:

a women-squad?

really?

+ yeah,the first thing you do in a war is bathing nude showing off your goods.

so that scene is nothing but the equalent "nudity in horror movies" ploy.

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[–] bstephens21 12 years ago

There were a lot of women soldiers on the Eastern Front. Their female snipers are quite infamous, and their partisans were filled with them.

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[–] I_hatenazis 12 years ago

yeah,the first thing you do in a war is bathing nude

There is an old saying about war, 'hours of boredom followed by seconds of terror'

So there is nothing unusual here. The Russian squad was behind friendly lines so I'm not surprised that some were taking the opportunity to cook, bathe, wash clothes, keep warm, etc, normal things. Steiner's squad surprised them, there was no impending battle.

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[–] rservello 12 years ago

Steiner proved early on that he was no monster. He let the boy go and showed great agony at his death. He also chose to go back to his platoon even after given the option to go home, because he wanted his men safe! The guy was a rapist...he got what he deserved!

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[–] timlin-4 12 years ago

Chivalry and inflated vaginal value has made your mind as soft as Steiner's. Are you completely blind to the fact that the woman actually asked for it on orders from her commander to distract him?

The Germans should have wiped them out immediately, but foolishly spared them when they hid like little girls. Of course being female they weren't grateful at all, but instead deviously plotted to kill them. When they kill one of his men completely pointlessly, Steiner just sees it as a chance to impress the ladies and even sacrifices another man. Of course they see him as what he is, just another fool.

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[–] axecrox 11 years ago

You tell it like it is timlin-4 I like that.

I agree with Darkviking guy - a women squad? pah!

It seems a bit like monkey tennis to me.

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[–] Ehrgeiz 10 years ago

"I agree with Darkviking guy - a women squad? pah!

It seems a bit like monkey tennis to me."

Thats your opinion, but you should take a note of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military

The Red Army was the first modern army who used women in frontline service and also had some women-only units (but not a lot of those, to adjust it right).

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[–] paintedbird 10 years ago

you are just a strange little psychopath who spends his free time writing misogynistic reviews of everything. so of course the humane actions that normal decent people do seem warped to you. seek help.

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