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Question about the tank scene


During the scene where Steiner's platoon is attacked by Russian T-34s in the factory, one of his soldiers fires their sub-machine gun at the tank. Obviously the bullet from the gun would have virtually no effect. Does anyone know why the soldier fired on the tank?

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Possibly as a distraction. Imagine sitting it a tin can and people throwing stones at it, it'd be very loud. Same principle if you're sitting inside a tank and someone's shooting at it. You'd just want to cover your ears and not be able to drive or aim without being distracted.

If the T-34 has open viewing ports then i guess there's a chance he could have gotten a few shots inside the tank...

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I was actually thinking somewhat of the same thing. Although I kind of dismissed my idea that it was because of noise, considering that the tanks engine must of been pretty loud anyway. Thanks for your input.

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And you were right. There is just too loud in a tank to hear a bullet hitting it.

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Panic? It can cause the most hardened battle veteran to do stupid things. Just like for Allied tank crews, every enemy tank became a Tiger. Sometimes even friendly tanks became Tigers. Morale is 2/3 of the battle; never underestimate potential psychological effects.

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Of course that makes sense too.

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"Panic? It can cause the most hardened battle veteran to do stupid things. Just like for Allied tank crews, every enemy tank became a Tiger. Sometimes even friendly tanks became Tigers. Morale is 2/3 of the battle; never underestimate potential psychological effects."

Great answer.

Also the T-34 coming into the factory is a bad idea, if you manage a tank you never wanna be inside small spaces when a single soldier with a granade can destroy the tank

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It sounds similar to the scene in Saving Private Ryan when Tom Hanks is firing is .45 at the oncoming "Tiger," even though he knows it's pointless. Also too, when they ambush the first tank in the French village, I think someone did fire his SMG into the driver's view port.

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Actually, that scene with the firing into the view port is an error - the driver had a thick piece of armored glass as protection, and SMG bullets would've had no effect.

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I was amazed that that made it in, unless it's a deliberate thing by the movie but an error on the paratrooper character's part.

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You always want to suppress a tank by any means necessary. Firing rounds at the tank will cause the crew to flinch instinctively. On top of this early tanks did not have anti-spalling inner liners. There is a slim chance that pieces of paint and metal shards will pop off the inner walls of the tank possibly injuring the crew though not that likely.

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It wouldn't make the crew flinch I'm afraid and spalling would only happen with large calibre rounds. Shooting the tank would be out of frustration, desperation or as a diversion.

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Right; small arms fire causes crewmembers to "button up", and a lucky shot could damage the periscopes. Either way visibility is greatly reduced, increasing a 'grunt's' chance of either escaping or...'creating tank wrecking mischief'.




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Yeah during at a tank would would make the crew close down, but in the particular scene that we already the case. I was talking in the connect of the scene in question.

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Firing small arms at a tank forces the crew to stay "buttoned up," which limits their visability.

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Especially effective against a tank like the T34, which had poor field of vision from the driver's position.

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I saw a viewing panel from a German or Russian tank in a museum once. It looked like a large transparent brick. Most bullets would not be able to pierce it. I think firing at the tank was pointless in the film but might be the kind of chaotic thing that happens in a battle.

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More like the infantry man just wants to do something. But in that case, the something I would do is hide, not shoot

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He was using depleted uranium rifle shells.

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When the desert fighting started in 1940, the Italians discovered to their dismay that the armour of their main tank would not stop British .303 bullets. This, and other things, illustrated that Italy was not ready to fight a major war against anyone better equipped than the Ethiopians had been.
The T-34 was, however, quite solidly armoured and bullet-proof.

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