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The best Hitchcock ever?


This movie is probably the second best Hitch, can anyone tell me anything about
Frenzy?

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This is actually one of his worst. If you think this is #2, which do you consider his best?


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Psycho is the best - no questions. I also loved North by Northwest, The Birds and to a lesser extent, Frenzy (now that I've seen it). Family Plot comes in second because I can see where Hitch was going with the film. It was designed to be a light hearted comic thriller, I believe it succeeds in every way. It took me two viewings to get the full effect, but I really love this movie.

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I have this on my list to watch again soon, which is why I was in this neighborhood. I'll get back to you after I do, but currently I would rate at least 20 other Hitchcock films that I've seen ahead of this one. By the way, IMDB users overall rate this #40, out of the 53 that he directed. My personal #1 is Vertigo, here is a list of my top 20 Hitchcock.

Vertigo (1958)
Psycho (1960)
Rear Window (1954)
Dial M for Murder (1954)
Strangers on a Train (1951)
Rope (1948)
Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
Frenzy (1972)
Lady Vanishes, The (1938)
North by Northwest (1959)
Lifeboat (1944)
Suspicion (1941)
Rebecca (1940)
Birds, The (1963)
Man Who Knew Too Much, The (1956)
To Catch a Thief (1955) 
Notorious (1946)
Spellbound (1945)
Saboteur (1942)
Foreign Correspondent (1940)
Sabotage (1936)


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I have only seen three of them...

1. Psycho
2. Strangers on the train
3. North by Northwest

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After viewing this for the second and last time, this is definitely my least favorite Hitchcock movie, out of over 30 that I've seen. It has no style at all. He was simply too old to make a good movie at this point.


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I could say that this is my second favorite Hitchcock movie, but that my first favorite would be "anything else".

For the record, I think Hitchcock's best movie is "Vertigo". My favorite is "North by Northwest".

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It's much better than its rumour but "Family Plot" is not Hitchcock at his greatest, far from it. It doesn't even have any memorable set-pieces or the cast Hitch wanted (that said I like the cast as I am a fan of Dern, Devane, Black, Harris, Lauter and Helmond).

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I think those of you who are disliking "Frenzy" are being too hard on the film. It's reputation has faded, but one thing you must remember is that when "Frenzy" came out in 1972, nobody had great hopes for it. Hitchcock was considered in decline and out of it. "Marnie," "Torn Curtain" and "Topaz" were all considered failures by the critics, and Hitchcock, who used to make a movie a year, had been stretching them out two, three years apart now.

Then, one by one, the major critics jumped in about how great "Frenzy" was : "Return of Alfred the Great," "The Return of the Master," "Hitchcock's Comeback," etc. The "Newsweek" reviewer said: "this is one of Hitchcock's very best."

In short, Hitchcock had a MAJOR comeback with "Frenzy," and now that you can just pop it in the DVD player with no fanfare, you'd do well to remember the hoopla.

I don't think it is one of his very best, but I give "Frenzy" extra points for returning Hitchcock to relevance. All the major magazines and newspapers listed "Frenzy" as one of the year's ten best films. You can't take that away from Hitch.

Do I like it personally? Yes, very much. The central rape-murder is, to me, historic in Hitchcock's cinema. Unlike the "fun" scream murders in "Psycho," this one is cruel and lingering and almost impossible to watch. Hitch was turning the thriller inside out and showing us the ugly reality of a psychopathic rape murder. Hitchcock wanted us to know the pain and horror of the victim.

The "potato truck sequence" is great, too. All those shots, all that editing, the stylistic use of the wheelbarrow and the potatoes and the tiepin.

Also, Bob Rusk is the fourth and final of Hitchcock's great psychopaths. Hitchcock had done one psycho a decade: Uncle Charlie in "Shadow of a Doubt" (40's), Bruno in "Strangers on a Train" (50's), Norman in "Psycho" (60's), and now Bob Rusk, the most brutal and realistically sick of them all. And yet such a cheery Covent Garden charmer.

Weaknesses? Too much talk. A weak "hero" in Jon Finch. Overall, a cheapness and "patness."

But the style, thematic power, and suspense of "Frenzy" -- Hitchcock's return to England after 22 years -- makes it a special film in his canon. I'd rank it just below his masterpieces. A very, very good film -- and a historic comeback.

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I agree with ecarle on FRENZY. Many people don't seem to realize what fools they are making of themselves when they rant on "Frenzy". It really was Hitch back in great form (and back to his wonderful formula of the innocent man on the lam from the police). The final scene when Alec McCowen delivers his briliant final-line to Mr Rusk is one of my all-time favorite endings in any film. A wonderful thriller! As a matter of fact it comes very close to my personal top 10 list of Hitchcock-movies:

My favorite 10 are:

1. Rear Window
2. North by Northwest
3. The Birds
4. The Lady Vanishes
5. Vertigo
6. Foreign Correspondent
7. Strangers on a Train
8. Shadow of a Doubt
9. Rebecca
10. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956-version, mainly because I have fond memories of it as a kid)

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i dont like to do a fixed "top ten", but my favourite hitch films have to be...

dial m for murder, rear window, the thirty nine steps, the birds, to catch a thief, spell bound and psycho....there are plenty of other brilliant ones, but for different reasons these are the ones i can watch again and again and get all excited about. family plot is a real shock if you've only watched his early work, but it still has the thrill of a hitch film.

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Family Plot is one of my least favorite Hitchcock films. I've seen it twice and no scenes stick out in my memory, except that this must be the only Hitch film where someone uses the "S" word! What really surprised me is how badly it seemed to have aged compared to his previous films -- to me it had the look and feel of some 1970s TV show. Even Frenzy felt less dated.

PS. My favorite Hitch film is Rear Window.

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My top ten:

Rear Window
The Trouble With Harry
Vertigo
Dial M for Murder
North by Northwest
Rebecca
To Catch a Theif
The Birds
Strangers on a Train
Shadow of Doubt

I don't think many people have heard of The Trouble with Harry, but it's a great one. Perhaps not the best in other's opinions, but it's enjoyable anyway. It's another somewhat light hearted one, a morbid suspense comedy.

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I am one of those people who agree with many psychologists who believe that watching pornography is not just "harmless fun" but instead can push the weak viewer "over the edge" to replay--in real life-- the rape he just watched. And the rape scene in Frenzy is particularly sadistic and lengthy. Hitchcock did no favors to women in this movie.

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I'm with gscohen on this; "Family Plot" is marvelously entertaining, lacking memorable setpiece sequences in the first half but quite funny and rare in the sympathetic way it develops its two main characters, Blanche and Lunley. I like the cleverly sudden resolution and of course, the last moment was the best way for Hitch to go out on his incredible career. It's light touch inspires some to downgrade it more than they ought, because it's not "Psycho," but its a game film with Hitchcock working off a fine script and giving his actors more breathing room than in past films.

How I rank Hitchcock, at least at this moment in time:

Ten Best

1. Psycho

2. 39 Steps

3. Strangers On A Train

4. Vertigo

5. Shadow Of A Doubt

6. Foreign Correspondent

7. The Lady Vanishes

8. Rear Window

9. Family Plot

10. Dial M For Murder/Stage Fright

Five Worst (from worst to less bad)

1. Topaz

2. The Paradine Case

3. Torn Curtain

4. The Trouble With Harry

5. Jamaica Inn

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Frenzy's great-but family plot--just make sure you don't eat hamburgers before driving down a mountain---

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If you think Family Plot is his worst film, you haven't seen Topaz or Torn Curtain, which are both worst IMO. I think Hitch's best late-period films are Marnie (one of his 5 best films), the woefully misunderstood "Frenzy" and this movie. It may not be one of Hitch's very best works but it's still one of the better American movies released in 1971.

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I also have always liked this film. It is light and very fun to watch. I
like Barbara Harris. She is a hoot. I also loved her in Nashville. Ditto
for Karen Black. My favorite Hitchcock though are in order:

Psycho
Vertigo
The Birds
Rear Window

I have never really seen a Hitch filmed that I did not enjoy. One of the
all time great directors. Probably the greatest!

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While watching family plot, i was shocked and kind of disgusted because I thought it was so un-Hitchcock like, and it wasn't at all what i expected. It has aged really badly; my friend and I almost died laughing when the car was careening out of control on the curvy road and also when the mechanic's wife starts to kick the tombstone screaming, fake! Fake! I agree with whoever said it was like a bad 70s television show.
I just don't consider this a Hitchcock film; it had none of the cool shots or visuals with under-lying messages. I guess it is somewhat 'light and fun to watch' but its not what you want to see when Hitchcock's name is on the box.

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There are numerous problems with "Family Plot." You must remember that Hitchcock was 75 and very ill when he made this picture; he literally had to be driven onto the set in a modified car-wheelchair.

Universal didn't give him much of a budget, big stars turned down the leads, most of it was filmed on the Universal backlot and in nearby Los Angeles (with a few scenes in San Francisco: Adamson's house and the Grace Cathedral.)

Still, for all of this -- and it does at times look like "a bad 70's TV show" -- I think "Family Plot" shines through and through with Hitchcockian themes, and invariably shows off his way of filming things.

Example: Adamson is talking to Maloney in Adamson's office. Police arrive outside his office, Adamson goes out to see them. He returns to his office and looks: a shot of an open window, the curtain blowing. Suddenly, the music stops. Hitchcock is telling us: Maloney has flown the coop. Adamson smiles in reaction. Pure Hitchcock.

Structurally, "Family Plot" is like a lot of Hitchcock movies: it is about coincidence, and how different lives can suddenly intersect.

In fact, its an informal remake of "Psycho." I'll post separately on that.

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My favorite Hitchcock movies in order:

(1)North by Northwest
(2)Rope
(3)Rear Window
(4)Psycho
(5)Lifeboat
(6)The Birds
(7)The Trouble with Harry
(8)Strangers on a Train
(9)The Wrong Man

That's based on the ones I have seen. Some I have seen like Rebecca,Notorious, Frenzy, Vertigo, Marne, The Man Who Knew Too Much ....those were ok, and I consider them "one-timers"

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I can't BELIEVE no-one has mentioned The 39 Steps yet. I have only seen The 39 Steps, The Lady Vanishes, North by Northwest, To Catch a Thief, Secret Agent and Saboteur. I currently own psycho/vertigo/shadow of a doubt/trouble with harry/rope/rear window/the man who knew too much(remake) and will see them soon. At the moment I think the 39 steps is the greatest film I've ever seen, so I can only imagine how amazing some of the others must be. My order would be:

1. The 39 Steps - Perfect
2. The Lady Vanishes - Ingeniously engaging with a brilliant finale.
3. North by Northwest - A great mix of genres, Cary Grant is brilliant.
4. Saboteur - Just about preffered to Secret Agent, has some brilliant set pieces but has flawed pacing and is sometimes a little similar to The 39 Steps.
5. Secret Agent - Loveable, but again slightly flawed.
6. To Catch a Thief - Doesn't engage throughout like the others but good fun and looks very nice.

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soz sum1 did mention 39 steps once, i didnt find it as it was thirty-nine as opposed to 39

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