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I feel so lonely over here...


tumble weeds a passing...(may be a spoiler ahead so)


by any chance if someone comes thru, who do you think gets shot at the end? It's a great cliffhanger!

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Hmm... that's a good question. What i gathered from the movie is "blame" The mother blaimed the little girl for everything. You think she would be pissed at the women her husband was cheating on. Yet it was obviouse she wasn't and i think the reason for that is she was able to blaim it all on her daughter.... at the very end i think mabye she shot her husbands girlfriend.. it's a bit of a stretch but mabye she came to her senses and directed her anger to a more proper person?

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the wife shoots the g/f huh? yes I would agree the mother blamed the little girl, I would even say she resented her. Most of them didn't like the girl though. In some ways I felt she was a nuisance to them. like this problem they can't get rid of. I mean when the mother was aiming the gun at the little girl the father tossed her the weapon for crying out loud. I think the only real geniune relationship was between Angela & Traunitz. Everyone else had these hidden secrets like what was up with the son & that dang dildo??? lol, but Angela was like playing a game of chess with them, she saw & knew everything and was playing it to her advantage.

The only thing I think she couldn't predict was her mother shooting Traunitz. When that happened I think the table turned, the dynamic was shifted and Angela lost a little bit of her power b/c now she was vulnerable. So in that sense I think Angela shoots her mother.

The only reason I don't think the mother shot the girlfriend is b/c she had her little side fling herself. The marriage was obviously nothing more than convience for both of them as they've long since taken on outside lovers. And the mother and the g/f were huggy huggy at times. However I do think the mother was upset for Angela bringing all these things to light.

Anyway like I said it was a great cliffhanger that can be talked about and looked at in many different angles. Nice to hear your outlook.

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I felt she was a nuisance to them. like this problem they can't get rid of.
The girl's disability challenges the German view of Aryans. I think it significant that she is not shown sympathy but indifference, hostility and hatred. The question about which character would be what in the Third Reich is so pertinent. I'm sure a lot of this film is a reflection on the German character post-WW2.
Movement ends, intent continues;
Intent ends, spirit continues

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Hello!

I bet GW Bush got a 17.5 inch perch but the LIBERAL MEDIA took 1 off and changed it to a 7.5

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Interesting theories. However, I always imagined that Gabriel shot Angela after she tells him that she knowns his writings are not really his own. Incredibly stylish thriller.

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This was my immediate reaction upon hearing the shot. I think Gabriel lived for his writing & to hear someone demean him this way was too much for him.

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i thought angela wanted her mother to shoot her at the end of the game, and when that didn't happen she shot herself.

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This was my 2nd guess, also, after my initial reaction that probably Gabriel did it (the way it followed so closely after Gabriel's interaction with Angelea, perhaps Fassbinder wanted us to think it was Gabriel).

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I have no direct idea but we know that the father has the gun and the film ends with the marriage thing he could have shot himself, his wife or perhaps himself and his wife in Hitler style, lol.

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Because all the characters are emotionally and morally dead. None of them pray for mercy, like the Virgin Mary Processional that eclipses the front of the castle, weeping their "in this valley of tears" hymn. None of them learned anything from the game, none of them can be saved.

Each person's answer speaks more about that person's beliefs about human motivation than about the film itself.

Also, the ending was Fassbinder's method of allowing viewers to participate in the film's game, and not giving us a definite answer means there are no definite answers, there are never any definite answers in life.

My original impression was that Ariane shot Traunitz at the same moment the processional passed, and Fassbinder was simply showing us what transpired outside at the time of the shot, that he was being paradoxically humourous - inside the castle, marriage is a sham and a child wants her mother to kill her, outside the castle, people are praying for mercy at the same exact moment - a witty real-life paradox.

The film is built upon that ironic element, which is why my original impression still strongly lingers with me - Gerhard and Irene are alone in the woods believing that his wife and daughter are far away, while at the same moment Ariane and Kolbe are alone in the castle believing Gerhard and Angela are far away, while at the same moment Angela knows both are at the castle and is preparing to travel there herself.

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My original impression was that Ariane shot Traunitz at the same moment the processional passed, and Fassbinder was simply showing us what transpired outside at the time of the shot


My thoughts exactly. I hadn't even considered the possibility of a second shot being fired until I came to this thread.

Can't wait to strap on your groovy old man.

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