Martin Sheen SPOILER


His character (with a groovy haircut) didn't want to climb on the roof of the train (his excuses was that the soldiers in white suits were on top of the train, when in fact they were not, right ?), but only moments later he agrees to climb on the side of the train.

Obviously this is way more dangerous and he ends up dead. Did anyone else feel that made no sense at all ?

Another unlikely thing : You kill 1.000 people, yet don't bother with a single observer / helicopter to make sure things go down as planned ?

I did like the suggestion that both the doc and Burt L. are now under surveillance because they know too much and will probably be whacked later on.

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What I don't get is that the slabs put over the windows had ventilation. If they're trying to isolate the bacteria/virus that's on the train, wouldn't having slits in the window slabs kinda defeat the purpose?

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Sheen's character didn't climb on the roof because the train was travelling bneeath OVERHEAD ELECTRIC WIRES that would have fried him extra crispy - ovrehead train wires that power locos and resturant cars(below 10mph) on Eurpoen railways contain at least 25000 volts.

And about the windows - the guards at Nuremburg were sealing alll the windows shut so nobody could open them BEFORE the shutters went in. FTR.

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His character (with a groovy haircut) didn't want to climb on the roof of the train (his excuses was that the soldiers in white suits were on top of the train, when in fact they were not, right ?), but only moments later he agrees to climb on the side of the train.

Obviously this is way more dangerous and he ends up dead. Did anyone else feel that made no sense at all ?


Yes. I did. I thought Sheen's character was not very well drawn actually. He seemd to act quite inconsistently at times. Also, when he was about to climb out the window and O.J. Simpson threatened to shoot him the minute he hit the ground, how exactly was he going to do that with all the panels on the windows etc.?

Ah well. I suppose its just a movie. I enjoyed it, but I loved even more reading the reviewer's comments on here - some of them (the more sceptical ones) are hilarious! :)

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Well, I don't have cable because I'm finishing college so I had to watch it at the YMCA and once the kids got quiet the Red Wings went into overtime :)
so I missed tons of dialogue but Martin Sheen was so hot and I did see the scene where he breaks down - he's such a great actor

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I loved seeing Martin Sheen as a latin lover gigolo since he plays so many serious roles. He was certainly a happening dude.



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I agree with the original poster. Sheen's decision to crawl on the side of the train seemed ridiculous compared to the more safe way of crawling on the top, which he clearly was afraid to do. No guards were shown on the top so the movie leaves us to believe that Sheen lied to cover up his fear of crawling on the top.

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Agreed! I just watched this again last night on TCM, and his decision not to go on the roof seemed absurd. As for the wires, all he needed to do was lay low and crawl on his belly up to the locomotive.

Also - didn't they switch to a diesel locomotive at Nuremberg? If so, maybe they did so because there were no overhead electric wires.

One thing I did notice was that the gap between the louvered panels in the close-up shots of Sheen was much greater than the gap between them in the shots with the stuntman outside the train.

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Good discussion about the the roof of the train, I think that is odd every time I see this. With regard to the helecopter, good point as well but it would ruin the ending.

IMO the movie leaves us with a lot to ponder, the surveillance being one of these. As there are survivors...hummm....

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What is this "light bulb" you speak of, English?

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I'm assuming that he "chickened out" when he was overlooking the rooftop of the train and therefore made up the story about the guards watching over that. Then later, he regretted his cowardly behavior and proposed to go sideways. Going via the rooftop again would expose his previous lie and he's too macho for that.
Pretty stupid, I admit.

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I was considering a different possibility.

The rooftop may be very flat, with smooth surface, curved edges et al - nothing to get a good grip on, so, Navarro could very easily slide off the roof (a smooth curve at a mediocre speed could actually be enough). On the side, he could find something he could firmly grip with his hands and where he could put his feet, so this could be somewhat more safe...




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also did i miss something but wasnt he going through horrible heroin withdrawal mmoments before deciding to go on his crazy mission? couldnt they have picked someone else? (choices were limited i dont see ava gardner up there but he was writhing in pain moments before) - i couldve missed something though -

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The behind the scenes reason is probably that the climbing on the top thing has been done millions of times in other movies whereas the climbing on the side idea would be pretty much new.

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