Ramona - the character with a great message conveyed

"Whenever I watch ramona in this series, she makes a kind of modell of "a true woman" in my mind. Do you agree with what I say??? Please, answer and share your experience."

I have not watched the second part of the series, so I don't know who is Ramona, I advise.

Well, "Rich man..." is good, but is from USA. There were comments and thinks on the plot that made me sick a bit, included an unfortunate comment by Rudy, my dear Peter Strauss character.
About the always controversial theme of the abortion, I respect your opinion of course, but I have always thunk that if the man would give birth there would be a lot more of abortions, but how only the woman can give birth, she is the devil. The men always ignore the difficulty of the mothers that bring up the childrens alone, because the fathers leave them. The fathers have the same responsability. It's unjust demonize a woman who aborts and not demonize the man who leave her. They did the same error, but of course, is only the woman who has to be sacrificed.

"That is the moment of the series that most young women should see"

Yourself says it. Why only the women? What about the men?

It's true the abortion can't be by caprice, but give birth have not to be a penance for the women either. If your life is going bad, if you are alone, if you are young and in an precarious situation, you think of different way like yourself can think. It's so easy fight against the war from an office. You do the specific action in the specific context.

I hate when all the people says about the Dustin Hoffman's character in "Kramer vs Kramer": "oh, poor man and what horrible mother! He is alone!" It pass everyday to a lot of women, and never nobody did a movie about that, because it's normal! The true women have no necessity to be mothers, like all the people consider that the true men don't have the necessity to be fathers, like Dustin's character in the begining of the movie.

If Wesley is the same character with the same personality he had in their first appearances when he grew, Ramona receives my condolences. That character really sucks. Ah, and I think really don't exist an anti-abortion message, Maybe is only an excuse to do a more interesting plot. I said I had not watched this chapters but Ramona know who is the father? It will do the plot more interesting!

I don't agree with what you have written about anti-abortion. I think she jumps out of the chair and runs out of the doctor's office because of fear (she's afraid of the procedure the doctor is about to perform) and because she has a misplaced view about being able to raise the baby with Wes-- which she learns in the next episode just will not be possible. She will be stuck raising the baby on her own. Because we do not see her in the last two episodes, it is entirely possible she went back to the doctor and had the procedure done after all, since she now knew that a life with Wes and her raising the baby was out of the question.

Ultimately, I do not see her as a life-affirming character-- just a scared girl all alone who would be forced to pay the price for a mistake she made with Billy. And it doesn't look like she would reach out to Billy for help either, about any of this.

Also, I think if you go back and look at the scenes in the doctor's office when she learns the options available to her, the writers have made it very clear that the doctor is willing to perform the abortion (which was still illegal in 1968 when these scenes take place, and would remain illegal until 1973). The sympathies of the producers and writers of this series would seem to be on the side of women who should be allowed access to safe and clean abortions, not being forced to have it done at the hands of back-alley butchers.

Regardless of what side you are on about this issue, it is very powerfully presented. I think Rich Man, Poor Man Book II (and Universal Television) was brave to present the issue openly and honestly. Incredible when you think it was just 1977, three and a half years after Roe v. Wade. So yes, this series seems to be supporting a woman's right to be able to have an abortion, and it seems to be in favor of making and keeping abortion legal.

It's a fantastic scene... but only if you're a Pro-Life enthusiast.

Truth is humans and most other animals have had the natural ability to self-abort a child for many thousands of years. It is only in comparatively recent times that the biological mechanisms for self-abortion have atrophied and there remain a few 'untouched' tribes where the mechanisms are still intact within their women.
So abortion is a natural thing.

As to Ramona's choice over the abortion, that is what it should be - HER choice.
Accidents do happen, as do some other less pleasant incidents and there may be many reasons why it is considered better to abort an unborn child.

Perhaps the parent(s) cannot take care of the child, perhaps it is teh product of rape, perhaps the mother is/has become too ill to carry it to term, or perhaps the child has developed a condition that would make its life one of perpetual suffering... or perhaps it would be stillborn.
Many prohibitive circumstances can either be present or can develop during the nine months, in which case bringing the child into the world would be a FAR crueller fate than aborting it.

The Catholic Church likes to blockade clinics and proclaim to women entering that "Ther Are Options"... Well yes, and one of those options *is* the choice to abort. More so for a woman not of the Catholic faith, as well.

So from both those perspectives, it make moral and logical sense that a woman should at least have the choice over whether or not she carries the child to term... and that SHE be the one to make that choice herself.