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Maybe I'm opening a can of worms here, but one of the reviewers mentioned the story as being full of "right wing" thinking, especially with the sinister "group of men." But all through the story, this group is pictured as doing things like starting (and ending) wars in ways that will keep them wealthy and in power, and putting a stop to politicians who would keep the country or countries OUT OF the wars (ones that THEY'VE already "chosen" to have). And of course the story pictures this as, again, sinister. I don't know if I would call this "LEFT WING" thinking, but it's hard to see how it's thought of as "RIGHT WING." At least, I never have.

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I was enthralled by this novel - and fascinated by these theories - when I read it four times between 1972 and 1974. I am re-reading it again for the first time since then and am enjoying it very much. I haven't seen the TV version since its original broadcast, but as I recall they did a good job of being faithful to the novel and its ideas. Once one of our most popular novelists, a storyteller beloved for her attention to historical detail and sweeping narratives, Taylor Caldwell is now regrettably almost completely unknown, her books hard to find except in used bookstores or on eBay - only 21 years after her death. It would be nice if the current vogue for historical fiction could revive some interest in authors such as Caldwell, Thomas B. Costain, Frank Yerby and others.

"I don't use a pen: I write with a goose quill dipped in venom!"---W. Lydecker

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The John Birch Society and its many heirs, as well as some forebears, contended that plutocrats, not least munitions profiteers, lobby candidates, whose campaigns they finance, for manufactured bellicosity & civil unrest lucrative to their commercial interests.

Remember Eisenhower's parting cautionary remarks re our military-industrial complex's potential for gross social ills ? Would you say the General cum president was a leftist?

The reason you don't perceive perjorative perspective of plutocracy as "right-wing" is that, since the intial election of Ronald Reagan to presidency, the "right wing", as presented by mass media, has been entirely neo-cons, war profiteering plutocrats.

Even Nixon had the decency to use bagmen as cutouts for delivery of munitions makers' campaign contributions. Since Carter's exit, these super-villains are the "base", as Shrub publicly designated them.

That you don't know about the Birch "fringe" and conspiracy focused political theory means you are unlikely to recognize the roman a clef elements of Caldwell's work(s), esp. since they primarily predate, at least in setting if not in actual authorship, the post WWII U.S. political mantle in the dark shadow of which we extantly remain, albeit "Commie" having been replaced by "terrorist", the bastard spawn of the international Communist campaign of global revolution.

Recall that the Bolsheviks were paid $22 million in gold from the Rockfeller dynasty in order to preserve their ownership of vast oil fields on the western Pacific coast? Didn't they teach that to you in public school history class ?

Of course not; you had to study the John Birch curriculum to learn the revolution was funded by its avowed enemies and that bankers fomented war to sell weapons on credit to both Nazi Germany and Wash.D.C. e.g. Prescott Bush, unindicted co-conspirator named by U.S. federal court as trading with the enemy.

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This is neither Rightist nor Leftist. It is realist.

Of course owners of conglomerates put politicians in power. Who else pays for them to get their and stay there? Surely nobody believes that middle-class donors have anything to do with this. If the middle-class could do this, Ross Perot and Ralph Nader would have been elected.

The lower class could do this without spending any money at all, but they always exercise their voting power by staying away from the polls in droves. Consequently nothing really changes.

The exception was Clinton, who may have been a sickening person and as corrupt as they come, but he had the charisma to get elected, the demonstrated agenda to balance the economy -- thus getting conservatives onboard -- and the competence to get done what he said he'd get done.

And all without committing treason, as Ronald Reagan admitted having done just as he left office.

He was still a sickening man and had no morals whatever, but we don't elect a person to be good and clean. We want them to be competent.

We very seldom get what we want.

What we generally get is what those conglomerates want, which is a situation that will bring them more money and power.

Richard Nixon asked 25 friends to give him a million dollars each.

George McGovern asked 25 million "friends" to give him a dollar each.

Which of them got elected?

There's nothing paranoid about conspiracy theories. Now, if I think the CIA has cameras on me -- it would be the FBI, of course, but paranoids seem to think it's the CIA, but that would be illegal and thus impossible ;) -- then I'm paranoid. The feds have no reason to glance at me, let alone look.

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"The exception was Clinton, who may have been a sickening person and as corrupt as they come, but he had the charisma to get elected, the demonstrated agenda to balance the economy -- thus getting conservatives onboard -- and the competence to get done what he said he'd get done."

A recession during George H. Bush's presidency got Clinton elected. After two poor years in office which saw the failure of his number one initiative, Clnton's health care plan, the Democrats were landslided out in the 1994 election that gave Republicans control of both the Senate and House. Clinton was forced to compromise in order for anything to be done. A good economy, which had nothing to do with his policies, presently causes him to be viewed favorably.

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The biggest reason Clinton was elected the first time was because crazy little Ross Perot pulled so many Republican voters away from George HW Bush to Perot's third party bid.

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Reagan was a great patriot and perhaps great President. Anything but a traitor!

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The story is said to be loosely based on the Kennedys.

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No, I wasn't taught those things about the funding of the Bolsheviks by big business, or those things about WWII, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit. But I agree with lucascage, that so-called conspiracy thinking isn't really "rightist" OR "leftist," and also that the politicians people mistrust aren't anything like rightist or leftist either (as opposed to something that much worse than either a liberal's idea of a "rightist" OR a conservative's idea of a "leftist"). That's why either phrase, "liberal politician" OR "conservative politician," usually makes me roll my eyes. And I don't mind saying that a lot of that opinion was influenced by this particular story (mainly by way of this mini-series, though I read the book once).

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Clearly, some of the other posters and I have read the same books.
Yes, I think the story (not necessarily the mini-series, which I didn't think was all that faithful to the novel in fact or in spirit) is "rightist," if by that you mean the end of the political spectrum that values limited government. Gary Allen once wrote that the current political spectrum places authoritarian government on the extreme right and communism as its polar opposite; a more accurate proposal would be to place anarchy (complete absence of formal government) at the extreme right with other systems being placed farther left on the basis of how pervasive the particular government. Given that the our system is supposed to have limited government interference, it should be closer to the right of such a spectrum.
I think Miss Caldwell was a wonderful author, although she was known to be something of a crackpot in real life. I sincerely think that she was somewhat the victim of "bad covers," i.e., the lurid art that graced the paperback releases of her novels. An especial favorite of mine is Dear and Glorious Physician--I find the sincerity of her religious beliefs (which pervade most of her work) and tolerance not only for all faiths, but for non-believers as well, very moving and sincere. Captains and the Kings had a profound effect on my politics that has remained with me until this day, at least 35 years later.

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