LOL That's funny
Ninja Turtells is back matbe more your style, or The 300
There was no upcry when this was made because at that time they had people watching for animal abuse inmovies so I don't believe there was any.
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What animal abuse are referring to?
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Seriously, there isn't any animal abuse in the movie. The horse falls that occur are perfectly safe to the horse if done right (and I didn't see any that weren't). This isn't like the chicken heads being blown up in "Pat Garret and Billy the Kid" - get off your high horse.
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It isn't abuse as long as you and the animal really love each other.
I'm sure most of you heard about another film with SEAN "Never Say Never Again"
They say the horse was killed when Sean and Kim jumped off the cliff after he saved her from slave traders.
None of the horses were hurt in the film - all the horsefalls are safe with no tripwires. The stuntmen weren't so lucky: safe horsefalls involve the horse landing on the rider after they are pulled down by the reins so that the stuntman takes the impact, and in one instance in the final battle scene a stuntman shattered his hip that way. If they hadn't been using a helicopter for the scene that could ferry him to a hospital, he could have died.
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It bothered me, too, and that's why I came here. I wanted to sse if there was any comment on it. In the TRIVIA section it says the director threatened to sue over similar comments, as no animals were injured.
"After receiving a list of BBFC requests to remove horse falls, director John Milius withdrew the film from intended UK video release in 1990 and claimed that no animal cruelty had taken place. His claim was supported by stuntman Terry Leonard who threatened to sue the BBFC for besmirching his professional reputation."
Milius discusses this on the DVD commentary and continually insists that he and Leonard went out of their way to avoid hurting the horses involved in the stunts. Again, he's not an unbiased source, but I'll trust the word of a professional stuntman - particularly one who was there - over some bleeding-heart moviegoer.
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I remember Milius Talking about a scene in Conan the Barbarian, where a horse rolled over stakes in the ground, and he had been getting flak from the animal rights groups. He said something like, "They're rubber! Didn't you see the man fall on them?!"
Some people aren't happy unless they can find something to complain about.
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Yes - there was something very suspicious about those falls.
I am studying the issue of animal treatment in films.
I'm finding out that very often the truth gets twisted in the reporting of "no animals were harmed-yada--yada-yada".
I'm finding out that very often production companies can lie.
The horses in this movie fall very quick and abrupt. At least one falls head first with all its weight on top.
Stunt men know what's coming and therefore prepare physically.
Horses don't. They find their legs just giving out, then SPLAT.
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Animal abuse came to an end with the movie Charge of the Light Brigade. In that movie, the horses were tripped over by various means so in the end many horses were crippled for life and had to be put out of their misery. Errol Flynn was so shocked by what happened that he help launch a campaign to end such practices and was successful.
shareActually the animal rights activists only gained real power in 1980, after a horse was killed with dynamite in "Heaven's Gate".
shareThat may have brought about the end of intentional horse tripping in the US, but that didn't stop American companies from making films in other countries which didn't/don't have animal abuse laws on the books. I watched the first part of this film some years ago, and also was appalled by the obvious intentional horse-tripping. I know the difference between a trained fall and a wire-trip job, and these were obvious wire-tripping falls - which probably resulted in the deaths of several horses. I've never held the actors in this movie in high esteem since then, since they knew or should have known this was going on.
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