I hope, with every fiber of my being, that I never, in real life, come across anyone who says this movie is "beautiful". You obviously think that torturing and abusing women, keeping them as chattle and second class, is love. On what sodding planet is that ok? It's not on this one, so get off it now. You.Make.Me.Sick.
shareWell, that was written and directed by a woman (and a leftist) in the 70s and she wasn't afraid to be harsh and ironic. The romantic comedy cliché is there, they hate and they are cruel to each other and then they fall in love which is expected for a couple, all alone in a deserted island. The writer tries to keep balance so that the viewer does not feel sorry for the poor woman (as you do).
So, is this a "beautiful film"? Even better, it's essential, funny and sentimental.
One of my favorites... and I found much of it quite romantic.
shareI don't think you understand at all what Lina Wertmuller was going for. If you can't understand a classic and beautiful movie then you shouldn't be allowed to watch it in the first place. Perhaps you should be the one to get off this planet.
shareCattle....hmm...It was a good movie
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It is a shame that some people get caught up in the physically violent scenes and cannot appreciate the many statements on human nature, society, politics, class divisions, etc., that the director - female or not - was trying to make.
I've loved this film since I first saw it on Bravo when I was 18 -- can you believe what Bravo used to play?!?!?! Without commercials too!
This is a MOVIE. No woman actually got slapped. It was just ketchup, not real blood. Therefore, a MOVIE can be beautiful, regardless of the content. And, in fact, this movie is quite beautiful. No one is saying that beating a woman, or for that matter violence, is beautiful. The art of making a film, and in particular this film, is beautiful.
shareYEAH! I saw it on Bravo originally too, it was commercial free (but edited- you could tell the angle & the blurring was leaving out some of the scenes- in one scene that I taped, you could hear the actors but just saw the sand by the light of the campfire) Ah! those were the days! remember when Bravo AND AMC used to show movies commercial free? Those days are gone, only TCM remains- God bless them, they show all kinds of movies, UNCUT and commercial free. I am their new fanatic fan.
As for the movie being beautiful or not- I respect the original poster's opinion- I have to admit, the first time I saw it the violence against women in specific made me cringe. It took a 2nd viewing for me to calm down a bit & see the movie for what it was. I'm still kinda shocked a woman directed this! :)
yep i remember it coming on Bravo too all edited up and what not
..been dazed and confused for so long..
Myartemis is clearly an idiot and needs to watch movies where everything is spelled out for you loud and clear and women are empowered and all mean are made to look like sniveling cowards....enjoy Georgia Rule! When you want to watch a real film that touches on real issues and wont stray away from the hard subjects to get a point across then maybe you should watch Swept Away again and try to understand it in any other way then the most literal and superficial!
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I need to state in advance that I have never beaten up a woman, I will never do and I do not in ANY WAY approve of violence on women, or any form of violence, especially on vulnerable subjects.Said so, I think that you are completely missing the point here.I don't agree with your point of view according to which a film is made to show what the director thinks it's wrong or right.
IN this case in particular, where the director is a well-known ( at least in italy) leftist and feminist woman, certainly that is not the case.
If you want, you can go on ignoring that in certain classes and in certain environments people have no time and inclination for politically correctness, and that is to your loss as I think that knowledge of realities that are different from the one you live can only broaden your mind.
Your criticism is so prejudiced, preposterous and ignorant of the fact that not every person on this planet lives ( or lived )like you and believes ( or believed) in what you believe.
THe charachter of Gennarino is a caricature of a human type that still exists and more than ever existed when this film was made.Are you surprised that among the working classes of the 70s in depressed areas of southern Italy, where the average percentage of alphabetization was no more than the 20%, some men would consider normal to beat up women?Well, that's the plain reality and showing it in a film or enjoying the film as a whole does not in anyway mean approving of such behaviour.
The fact that Raffaella ends up falling in love with Gennarino, after being exposed to the worst possible experiences of submission, I personally interpret as an expression of sado-masochism in her personality( but that's disgusting isnt it, assuming that some women can be sado-masochistic and actually enjoy submission?I am sure you're old enough to know better), and as a caricatural portrait of the reversal of the social and political conditions that we see at the beginning of the film.
YOu probably do not accept the existence of some women who actually sexually enjoy been beaten up.Have you thought of that?There are women ( as well as men) who ENJOY being beaten up, women whose libido functions according to sado-masochistic lines.
This does not make them whores ( I hope you agree) and does not make their partners sexist pigs.
We could go on forever here but, bottom line, your criticism ( or lack of it) is fatally flawed by the assumption that the director approves of her own carachters behaviour, and by a deep ignorance of the socio-cultural conditions in the place and time where the film is set.
So I was just wondering, what is the meaning of having such graphic rape scenes depicted in a movie? I understand that not all depictions of rape eroticize or normalize it and it can be used to tell stories that are feminist but what everyone seems to be principally concerned with is the beauty of the film. This doesn't concern me as I firmly believe rape cannot be beautiful despite the talent of the artist depicting it. So what is the point, what is the meaning? I came on the boards to receive an explanation from the fans who love it so please help! Because I was unable to get past the deeply disturbing rape scenes and search for the meaning.
shareWhat rape scenes? Did you even watch the film?
No sex actually occurs until she accepts him and is desperate for it. Before that, he is the one to stop it.
Well, feminist board: it's all about beating up and rape, nobody criticize her shameful behavior towards him...
And yes, it's incredible that a movie like this was directed by a woman (and feminist); excellent movie, anyway, much better than the crappy remake with Madonna...
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