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NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE.


My friend and I finally checked out this movie tonight. I must say we were both astonished at how disappointed we were. Why has this movie got such a following?
I found it to be self-indulgent crap.

Sure I got the point it was trying to make ("Bread and Circuses" and all that), but this movie was just so dull. I like slow movies when done well, but this movie severely sucks in my opinion. It had some awesome moments, but they were few and far between.

Give me Soylent Green or Death Race 2000 any day over this mess.

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Hi Matt,

We appreciate all opinions, and maybe this is a movie for people in the mode of deep thought. Don't get me wrong! I enjoyed every reiteration of Rambo. Especially when he carried the heavy artillery.

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I have only seen First Blood and I like movies that make you think, but I just found this to be pretentious wank and didn't find it to be at all "deep" as it were. A film like Soylent Green has many more thought-provoking moments in my opinion and is also entertaining at the same time.

I found this movie to be about as deep as Death Race 2000, but no were near as fun.

But, each to their own :)

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I could see that having probably seen most of the violent movies SINCE Rollerball, when they became commonplace. Though the stories have been done before this one had some original ideas and was pretty groundbreaking. Rollerball was a little more cerebral than 'Rambo' movies that came out later.

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I saw this movie when it first opened. For its time it was startlingly provocative and original. Sure its dated now and may suffer in comparison to contemporary filmmaking, but that should not diminish its effectiveness.

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This movie is a great example of 70s futuristic film making, like "Soylent Green" and "The Omega Man." (Another example: "Westworld" even though it doesn't take place in the future.)

Great film? No.
Great futuristic realism? No.
But put those two together, do a half decent job, and you get a film with followers.

It's always funny that in "the future" people are always wearing 1970s styles and the computers still use tape. And where, by god, is Windows? Where is a computer with a mouse? In the 70s, corporations still thought that no one would need a computer in their home.

Where are the flat panel, 16x9, HDTVs?

All these films are all social/political in their nature.
They're not meant to be timeless; they're meant to exist in the future.

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Is the film really that far off?

Corporations running the world.

People losing their humanity.

Not so far off at all in 2010.

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Indeed. And to think that a movie would come out the very next year which would be just as prescient of things to come in television media (Network and the Fox network).

The only other movie that would be quite as good at foretelling the future in such an accurate manner would be It's a Wonderful Life except that George Bailey (James Stewart) was never allowed to come back and Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore) and his ilk prevail in ruling the world. IOW, the way life really happens.

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Network wasn't meant to presage the Fox network, it was a satire about network news in the '70s. It wasn't a futuristic movie at all. If it sounds familiar to what you see today, well, history repeats itself.

You should read up about Father Coughlin on the radio in the '30s ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin ). He was the Howard Beale of his day, and some say the Rush Limbaugh of today.

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Is the film really that far off?

Corporations running the world.

People losing their humanity.

Not so far off at all in 2010.


Indeed so. Even 'colleges' and 'science' are fast becoming corporate owned, fodder for industry.



More science, less fiction.

Karlrobert Kreiten--http://tinyurl.com/n938vj

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What I like in these 70s futuristic films is the use of that "computer printout" font, which is all over the place in ROLLERBALL...every sign, every uniform...

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What I like in these 70s futuristic films is the use of that "computer printout" font, which is all over the place in ROLLERBALL...every sign, every uniform...


I love it too, one of my most beloved fonts.




More science, less fiction.

Karlrobert Kreiten--http://tinyurl.com/n938vj

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Don't know if you caught it, but one of the computers actually used a card reader! Those went out in 1980. I will guess most people watching it today have no idea what that stack of 2.5"x6" cards was.

I did see John Boorman's "Zardoz" not long ago, and it did not hold up at all. Another idea that was ripe for the time (i.e. an elite society protected from the rabble, who are kept ignorant and filthy while on the outside looking in). I am making a point to re-watch all those classic '70s sci-fi works (Space: 1999, 2001, Westworld, Silent Running, Dark Star, etc.) because they are referenced in Duncan Jones' "Moon" starring Sam Rockwell out on DVD this week. Saw "Moon" in the theaters and the movie opens with him running for exercise (re: 2001) and there is a package marked 'soylent' in the kitchen cupboard; Duncan Jones' father is David Bowie, who of course starred in "Man Who Fell To Earth". Anyway, 'Rollerball' was on that list. A fun endeavor! Cheers.

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And its still used today to denote a "futuristic" look.

A few years ago MLB instead of their annual Turn Back the Clock game, had a Turn Ahead the Clock game, and all of the uniform names and numbers were in that font.


Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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That font was developed to be read by machines when printed in ferrous (containing iron) ink. If you have a checking account and checks to go with it you will find they are still using it.

I've lived upon the edge of chance for 20 years or more...
Del Rio's Song

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It's always funny that in "the future" people are always wearing 1970s styles and the computers still use tape. And where, by god, is Windows? Where is a computer with a mouse? In the 70s, corporations still thought that no one would need a computer in their home.

Where are the flat panel, 16x9, HDTVs?

Jah and guess what? 40 years from now, our grandchildren will watch Minority Report and laugh out loud for its antiquated assumptions on future technology evolution. Does this sound familiar to you?

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Westworld does take place in the future, just thought I'd throw that out there.

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Wow! You really missed all the important parts of the film. The game Rollerball is a fairly unimportant aspect of the film. The film is about corporate government and not Rollerball. I consider it one of the top 10 scifi films of all time. It was a dangerous visions view of what if we allowed corporations to take over the functions of world government. What's scary is we are halfway there and no one has noticed. I think Rollerball is every bit as important as "1984" it just never got the respect it deserved. The story is about one man standing up to the corporations. They fear him because they can't risk people believing that one person can change the world. The corporations depend on people accepting the world for what it is. They can't risk a heroic figure arising so they design Rollerball to be impossible for one man to stand out. For all their efforts one man actually became good at an impossible game. Simply killing him would cause people to question the world so they had to destroy him in an actual Rollerball game to show the futility of individual achievement. It backfires when they stack the deck against him and he still wins. Johnathan has a deep unspoken resentment of the corporation because they took his wife. They fear that resentment coming out as him denouncing the corporations. By the end the people love him and would believe anything he said making him more powerful than the corporations themselves.

One of the best lines in the movie is "Game! It wasn't meant to be a game". Absolutely brilliant! Rollerball WAS about the futility of individuality, period. It wasn't Bread and Circuses as you claim. Rollerball wasn't senseless violence it was a corporate view of senseless violence. They tried to structure senseless violence which by it's very nature opened a window to some one getting good at the "game". The game of Rollerball was meant to be the embodiment of chaos but structured chaos is no longer chaos. The better example of "Bread and Circuses" is Stephen King's Book "The Long Walk". It's pointless violence without purpose other than to torment people until only one was left standing.

FYI Norman Jewison was one of the best directors this country ever produced and Rollerball is a prime example of his brilliance. He's easily in the top ten of all time US directors and I'd put him in my top 4 list. Rollerball could have easily been fluff like the remake but instead it became a socially important film that we need to rediscover.

"this movie severely sucks in my opinion" Might want to read a book or two since you find Death Race superior which is an obvious parody. Soylent Green is an excellent film and it dealt with similar "dangerous visions" themes but most focus on the "soylent green" is people line instead of the superior theme of a world that can no longer support the population. The Soylent Green film is about depleted resources not about cannibalism. You've got to expand your view of the world and not focus on one theme per film. Truly great films have layered and complex themes and you are obviously missing the point of most truly important films.

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Oops! My bad. Turns out Norman Jewison is Canadian. Learn something new every day. I hate making mistakes so I wanted to correct myself before some one else caught the error. I really did think he was born in the US. Hey most people think Mel Gibson is Australian and at least I know he was born in the US. I hope Mr Jewison is enjoying his much deserved retirement! I love Hitchcock but I think Jewison is just as good he just never got the same recognition. I'm not saying Rollerball is a better film than Citizen Kane but in the long run it may be more important. Citizen Kane is about the past and events that can never be changed. Rollerball was a warning about where we are headed and one day we may wish we had heeded the warning.

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I agree on the slow pacing. And Caan appeared calm, and collected... I think it was meant to be an examination of the loss of individuality and the consensus needed to keep that continuous for the betterment of the society the corporate state made.

The pacing of it could've been better, but back then, people could actually sit still and watch a film without an explosion or a shooting every 15-20 min. It was never meant to be an action film, and the "dystopian pattern" of Omega Man, Soylent Green, Planet of the Apes and Rollerball were meant to be a statement on what the society of the 70's was becoming. In retrospect, many of the corporate aspects are plunging head long to fruition thanks to QE2, austerity measures and the continual bankrupting of countries credit.

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Hi Matt,

He shuts the fvck.

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I can certainly see that Ayn Rand would whole heartedly approve of the world Rollerball exists in. Not sure what "market liberalism" is, unless you mean laissez-faire.

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Ayn Rand actually wouldn't approve, as women are prostituted out, the corporation disapproves of individualism and it appears that equal legal recourse is likely extinct.

However, if society were to adopt Rand's philosophy (which was geared toward the individual- not as a model for society to adopt) I could certainly see it becoming perverted into what we see in "Rollerball".




Speak louder, Mr. Hart! Fill the room with your intelligence!

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It is a classic film. Disturbing, thought provoking and brutal.

It's Orwellian feel added to Caan's masterly perfromance makes this one of the all time great films.

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You are obviously under the age of 30.....

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Death Race 2000? That comments tells us all we need to know about why you didn't get this film.

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Another "I don't like this movie and anyone who does is stupid" thread.

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Stick to Sesame Street or Romper Room.

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