how is this a spag-western?


Just because it's set in the "west" doesnt qualify this as a spaghetti western...it's a psychedelic exploitation thriller which, by the way, sucks.
I know the Fulci fans out there wet themselves over this, but can we at least agree that this is NOT an italo-western, by any means?

booo...


Tuco Pacifico Benedicto Juan Maria Ramirez

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I sort of agree.

I had a big problem with the characters acting more like they were in the 1970's rather than being in the "old west". The main villain was interesting and well played but he was basically a drugged out psychotic hippee. The music as everybody states is awful and it serves to remind the viewer once again, this film is made in the 1970's! The peyote scene was pure 60's/70's cinema, very out of place.







The way I see it, is that we weren't retreating, we were just attacking in a new direction.

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Ya, I mean, Tomas Milian is channeling Charles Manson...ugh.



Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

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It was an Italian production, right? With an Italian writer, an Italian director. Crewed by Italian technicians. Made with Italian money.

Therefore, it's a spaghetti western. And one of the better ones, really, if you can get around the fact that it's like Fulci doing McCabe and Mrs. Miller meets Last House on the Left. Elegaic and gory, what more can you ask for?

Great, great movie - but very removed from the Leone style and it's various imitations. Slow, tense, depressing - it makes The Great Silence look a little hopeful - a great iconic performance from Milian.

I don't know how people think it reflects the 70s more than the old west. Milian may have been channeling Manson, but guys like Manson are not a recent phenomenon. The desperation seems so inherent and accurate to what that situation would be like in that time and place. But hey, I like it when a "historical" piece of fiction allows itself revisionism enough to say a little something about the contemporary climate.

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I guess the film is an acquired taste because I loved everything about it. Its set in the west and directed by an italian, how is this not a spaghetti western. If this isn't a spaghetti western then Keoma and Mannaja arn't either.

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“it makes The Great Silence look a little hopeful”

I disagree. At least here our main character survives after seeing to the delivery of a child that promises to change the townspeople, extracts his revenge and even finds a new friend to carry on with. The Great Silence leaves the viewer with nothing but despair.

As to the OPs statement, this is 100% a spaghetti western.

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westerns are movies with a setting in the 19th century. u dont need cowboys in a western, so this is very well a western.

it might not be a traditional one but it is one.

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To the OP: Excuse me mate, but do you know what the term spaghetti-western means?


This ain't my first tea party...

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I'm confused as to how people could possibly mistake this for a spaghetti western, as it is in no way even related to the genre. If they had to payed attention to the movie (or even watched it at all) they would see that it is clearly an Italian movie that happens to takes place in the American west during the 19th century. NOT A SPAGHETTI WESTERN!

The ignorance of some people is simply amazing, isn't it?

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Could you please give us your definition of "spaghetti western" and why this doesn't fit in the genre? I am very curious to know.

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If they had to payed attention to the movie (or even watched it at all) they would see that it is clearly an Italian movie that happens to takes place in the American west during the 19th century. NOT A SPAGHETTI WESTERN!


Definitions:

Western:

"set in the American West that embod[y] the spirit, the struggle and the demise of the new frontier." - American Film Institute

Revisionist:

"The Revisionist Western, Modern Western or Anti-Western traces to the mid 1960s and early 1970s as a sub-genre of the Western movie. Some post-WWII Western films began to question the ideals and style of the traditional Western." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Western


Spaghetti:

"Basically a Spaghetti Western is an Italian produced Western, or commonly an Italian-Spanish co-production - Italian financed with the principle cast and crew being for the most part Italian - although these films in fact attracted stars of all nationalities." http://website.lineone.net/~braithwaitej/mainsite/overview/definition/definition.htm

Only a moron would not think this is a Spaghetti Western (which were offshoots of the Revisionist genre... which this is very true to, and is actually an acid western too), to be blunt.



Formerly KingAngantyr

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Yes, my post was a sarcastic one. I'd like to call you a moron back, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the tone was lost in text, therefore it was my fault for not being more obvious.

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''Yes, my post was a sarcastic one. I'd like to call you a moron back, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the tone was lost in text, therefore it was my fault for not being more obvious.''

My apologies. I have been on here for about 11 years (nine on this account) so I have been made bitter to the most nonsensical of questions. I mistook your sarcastic comment for a serious one as such comments like that are made every day.

Not your fault at all. My fault for being so bitter and cynical on here in the first place!

Formerly KingAngantyr

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"I mistook your sarcastic comment for a serious one as such comments like that are made every day."

How true that is, my comment, after all was "inspired" by comments such as the one below...

"correct. hippie road movie set in the old west. not even close to a spaghetti western."

See, it's not a western; it's a movie set in the old west. There's a world of difference.

Then again, maybe that poster was being sarcastic. I can't tell anymore.



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correct. hippie road movie set in the old west. not even close to a spaghetti western.

terrible movie and the worst fulci (lucio) i've seen though i haven't seen them all.

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