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Success is nothing w/o someone you love to share it with


... which is supposed to be the message of this movie and it's the biggest crock of bull s h i t ever said!

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Hey, Spark, your old friend here :) I just finished watching this and I thought the message was a little sexist. Not the one about success is nothing...etc. I kind of could see where Billy Dee was trying to go with that. But his whole sexist attitude that a woman's place is at home with her dude, and his career path is the only one that matters. In the end, I don't think it was important how much success or fame Mahogany got out of her career. The point was it made her happy. It was her dream and he didn't really support it and he tried to disguise his militant attitude about "white people on one side and black people on the other" behind this veil of being concerned for her well-being at the hands of Sean or whoever. It was important to her that she could make something out of her dream, that she could design and that people would love her work and pay good money to own it. She clawed her way to the top and proved that she was a strong woman who didn't "need" a man to tell her who she was or to define her. But she could admit to needing someone who cared about her when she was nothing and didn't pretend to love her just for what she had. Love will find a way and all that is all well and good, I suppose, but any good relationship is about respect and support as well as the companionship. Two people are always involved. She wasn't there just for him. She should have demanded the same respect for her career goals or aspirations as a condition for getting things to work.

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Ahh .. Hi Renee! Long time no hear. It's nice to communicate with you again, but unfortunately--and I hope (and pray) I'm not alienating you when I say this--but I would have to disagree with you.

I don't think that Billy Dee was either being "militant" or "sexist" in wanting Tracy to leave Rome and return back to Detroit with him. He wanted her to return home because he was disturbed by how she was being made into a "freak" by the European fashion industry, and she was. I actually think he had HER best interests in mind more so than his.

But to get back to my original point, I really don't think that success is meaningless without a relationship. Hell, if you have a lot of money, you most likely would have no problem in finding someone who is more than willing to share it with you.

Take care. Hope to hear from you again!

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lol, don't worry, though we've had our personal disagreements, I'm not one of those psycho nuts on these boards who go ballistic if you disagree with their point. I've dealt with enough of those types myself. It's alright to disagree about the movie subject at hand as long as you don't resort to name calling and rudeness. That said, the movie: I think she was pretty capable of taking care of herself and I don't believe Tracy/Mahogany was being treated as a freak really. I think Brian was right that she didn't have any true friends there. But I suppose that's the price of fame. It's mostly hard to know if people like you for you, or what you represent or what they can get from you. She got to where she wanted to be. And she did it because she was tired of people telling her "you can't/you shouldn't" etc. She wanted to prove to the naysayers that she could, and damm well would. She didn't allow herself (for the most part) to be disrespected by anyone and that included Brian. That's just how a sister is, lol. You may remember me bringing up the same point about myself. We don't want to be changed or "saved" or taken care of, etc. under the guise of those infamous good intentions that pave that road to hell. As the late Whitney Houston said, if I fail, if I succeed, at least I'll live as I believe. Mahogany did what she believed in. What was good for Brian wasn't necessarily--and didn't have to be--her thing. And in the end she learned things about herself and what was truly important to her in the grand scheme.

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Never let anyone you love hod you back from your dreams. Youll be fat, busted, broke and depressed with crying ass babies regetting

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It wasn't about the success, but rather, selling her soul for success. In the movie, she sleeps with Sean and agrees to sleep with Rosetti for the same reason. In the end, she realized she just wanted to be with the man she loved.

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The character of Mahogany wasn't made for the jet setting lifestyle that was portrayed in the movie. She knew that she was over her head in regards to her fashion design career and decided to return to the man she truly loved. Her talent was limited so it was time to bail out and return to her home.

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