The Marxist Allen...


... I'm curious how many people felt that this is Woody's most heavily Marx Brothers-influenced movie. This was definitely not what I was expecting... it was much, much better. I think this is more of Woody's transitional movie than "Annie Hall" was. I think "Annie Hall" was the first fully transformed, fully realized Woody Allen movie, but "Love and Death" seems to be his turning point, where he's turning the corner from funnyman to the most unique everyman ever. Diane Keaton also turns in a peak comedic performance, IMHO. LOVED IT!

"It is better to destroy than to create what is unessential." -- Daumier, 8 1/2

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this film is purpotedly an homage to bob hope, another major influence on woody...groucho was a major influence on woody allen (you might want to put on your groucho glasses if you don't see their obvious physical and manneristic similarities)...it seems like groucho's the biggest influence...i know what you mean, though...like when the count challenges him to a duel and asks him to call upon his seconds, and he says: "if my seconds aren't available call on my thirds, if the thirds aren't avaible go directly to the fourths" very much a marx brothers joke..still, i think this is his funniest movie...and the reason there may never be another comedy writer/filmmaker this great...

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Woody(most of the time), Alan Alda(as Hawkeye Pierce), Jason Alexander (as George doing Woody doing Groucho))...all doing Groucho. Who's the real genius here?


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It's part Marx Brothers and part Charlie Chaplin.

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Speaking of Charlie Chaplin; anyone ever see The Great Dictator? It is so like a Mel Brooks' film, I'm convinced that he used it as a blueprint for his movies. Not a bad thing, because he puts his own personality into his movies, but surprising to me; Chaplin's movies were before my time. It's weird to watch it and have this inescapable feeling that Chaplin's ripping off Mel Brooks, instead of the other way around. "Herr Garbage", springs to mind. Chaplin made this movie in 1940, at the height of Hitler's power. That's pretty ballsy. I respect that. Chamberlain should have had such balls (maybe a comment on the P.M. by Chaplin?)

As for Groucho Marx, there's only one person funnier. Groucho owns the throw away punch line, often turning toward the audience. But, Woody Allen added philosophy and science and psychology that outstripped the gag. You can always think about the validity of the joke, when you finally stopped laughing. Chaplin makes us think (later years), Groucho makes us laugh, and Woody makes us laugh and think at the same moment we're blowing Pepsi out through our nostrils. At least, that's the way he used to write them.

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You sound like my friend who watched The Graduate with me for the first time..

When she saw the wedding scene she kept saying "God, it's just like in Waynes World."

I haven't seen The Great Dictator in a while, but I really love it.

I think your wrong about your final thoughts though.. Chaplin makes us sentimentalize more then he makes us think, and don't forget the laughs. Chaplin makes us sentimentalize and laugh.

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Well, I disagree only because it is purely Bob Hope-influenced (Allen has stated so explicitly many times).

In fact, it seems very closely modeled after Hope's MONSIEUR BEAUCAIRE, right down to the character of Don Francisco and the endless bowing and meaningless formalities ("no, it's a greater honor for me"). I would recommend this movie if you liked LOVE AND DEATH, because they are identical in style.

Matt

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I think all the posted comments are valid. I do think, however, that this is Woody Allen's most thorough comedy. Every line is a gag, and as one poster pointed out, it seems much more a tribute to Bob Hope's acidic style than perhaps to anyone elses (including Groucho). I also agree that this is not a Chaplinesque comedy. Chaplin had a way of blending the cruelest observational comedy that was brilliant in its hilarity with an absolutely heartbreaking humanity. I don't see that in Love and Death. What I see is a modern comedy masterpiece with more jokes per square inch than anything on the big screen since Some Like It Hot. I wish Woody Allen had tried making a silent movie. Perhaps then, the comparison to Chaplin would have been more valid. The last scene, where he's standing outside the window and says "I got screwed" might have been more effective in a silent movie without that hlarious line. Just a thought.

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It's definitely Hope-influenced, but it's certainly Marx Brothers-influenced as well. Many of Boris's lines ("If a man said that to me, I'd break his neck", "Well, we can say it. I don't know what it means, but we can say it."and the whole "It's a greater honor for me" scene) are classic Groucho. Also, the scene where Boris knocks out Don Francisco plays like a Harpo/Chico routine

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