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..and what about R.Vogler's expletation of his phisiological needs..?

posted 18 years ago by m-ravazzin
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I mean when he does it on the river Elbe..

This is all filmed, from the beginning, the concentration, the effort ..and you can see the final result coming out slowly.

I bet, there is nothing similar in the history of cinema !

Apart from that , believe it or not , I really love the movie.

remember when they are on the side-car driving alongside a river , with this fantastic music going on ?

Or when they are in this huge Mercedes Truck , playing on a portable record player the song "Just like Eddie"?

I was so happy when , years later, I was able to finally find it , taped by a friend!

[–] ammacinn 18 years ago

I think it's a lovely scene, really I do -- a favourite moment of mine in cinema, actually; thanks for having posted this -- I haven't thought about it for quite some time. It is filmed COMPLETELY without adolescent intent, with any apparent concern for "shock value," with anything but a respect for cinema and its ability to document things honestly. It's a truly moving, beautiful moment -- I think I completely understand where Wenders was at, in terms of the politics of representation, in doing this, and if I ever meet the man I'll try to remember to express my admiration.

Allan (http://alienatedinvancouver.blogspot.com)

[–] antihero001 18 years ago

Wonderful scene and a wonderful movie at that.

[–] zurichpoet 15 years ago

"in terms of the politics of representation"

Wenders does this better than anyone.
I used to take him for granted.
You don't realize how good he is, because it looks so easy.
But that's because he's so talented, refined in the method of cinema.
Can you think of anyone else who does?
That is, having a character, almost become an archetype, but it flows organically in terms of the story. I can't.
He's great.

[–] www.wedd 14 years ago

Amazing film, one of my favourites. Some of the most beautiful cinematography of any film ever made. I'm not sure it's completely free of shock value (as ammacinn put it) though- why else have the moment when Vogler is shown taking a dump? Not that it damages the quality of the film one bit- it's just that, once you've seen a moment like that, it's hard to think of anything else for at least a few minutes after!

[–] franzkabuki 13 years ago

"Once you´ve seen a moment like that, it´s hard to think of anything else for at least a few minutes after".

Not to mention hard to continue eating the bloody sandwich... for at least a few minutes after. As was the case hereabouts. There should be some special anti-food scheisse-rating for material like this.

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

[–] Robert-Lander 18 years ago

In the audio commentary on the DVD Wenders says that this scene (and its staying in the final cut in its entirety) was the result of remarkable coincidences and a number of jests who became earnest. Just because it comes out so naturally, if you excuse the pun, the scene is very impressive and well fitting into the movie.

[–] ammacinn 18 years ago

Um... thanks; but which DVD? A German DVD, right, with German commentary? Are there English subtitles? I wish I could see such a DVD...

A.

[–] Robert-Lander 18 years ago

Yep, the DVD was produced for the German market and, as usual, there are no English subtitles. :-(

[–] ammacinn 18 years ago

Hm. I saw on eBay that there's a Chinese DVD with English subtitles, but I wonder how complete it is... I recall having other reasons to think it might have some problems... I should go contemplate it again, if it's still there. I'd love to see this movie on DVD...

A.

[–] jjordan370 18 years ago

I agree about the scene where Just Like Eddie is playing. It's a wonderful expression of freedom and the joy of living. Where can I find that song?

[–] davidgoesboating 17 years ago

It was pretty unexpected. I doubt that anybody but Wenders could get away with it though... in a film like this, it just seems to sort of fit in.

Great movie by the way, and I'm only half an hour in.

[–] pcqgod 13 years ago

Funny that there are twelve threads on this board and three of them mention this scene.

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