did O enjoy her treatment?

I liked the parts in the secretary that showed she wanted it, I think in the movie story of O they should have had O (like the book) begging to be whipped harder, and explaining why she felt that way.

I think O was a natural submissive and it just needed to be brought out. before it all happened she may have never knew it, but after her training she is in it for life and no other lifestyle would be satisfying for her.

I don't think "enjoy" is the right word. She "needs" it to fulfil her own role in life.

EXACTLY! I was having this very discussion with a girlfriend recently; both of us feel uncomfortable with the word "enjoy" in this context. It simply does NOT describe what I feel, and she agreed with me. I have met some submissives who did use the word, but for most of us "enjoy" is not at all accurate.


Woman is the Earth and Man is the Sky.

So it's a little hard to equate it to a willing submissive, because, I can't see a sub ever wanting to get out of her situation. Because it's not a situation. It's a fantasy come true. In a way, some kind of enjoyment.

Contentment, emotional comfort and freedom from anxiety are not the same thing as "enjoyment".


Woman is the Earth and Man is the Sky.

I enjoy disobeying to get punished instead, and I like being in control, while playing sub. While maybe someone like miss october truly give up control. Am I getting close?

Yes, you're getting much closer now. What you do is called "topping from the bottom", maintaining the fiction that you are "submissive" in order to get what you want. In my experience, most if not all male "submissives" are in exactly that same place. That's why professional dominatrixes are more common than ones who do it for fun; the male "submissive" wants the control of hiring a dominatrix. She is HIS employee; HE is completely in charge, determining when and if he will see her and free to choose another professional if he likes. Despite her trappings of "mistress" and all that, she is actually just a specialized prostitute.

True submissives ACTUALLY give up control. Let me tell you a little about my life, and maybe you'll understand a bit more. I was a preternaturally intelligent child, and my mother never hesitated to dump responsibilities upon me even at a very young age. I grew to be a very competent person whom others would always look to for leadership and thrust responsibility upon. The weird thing is, people seem to feel the need to pretend after doing so that I was the one who demanded such responsibility. The usual pattern was, stick October with a responsibility, then call her "bossy" for accepting it. WTF? So when I found a man who was willing to take responsibility, to worry about my welfare rather than the usual "what do we do now, October?" it was incredibly liberating.

That dovetailed nicely with the fact that I've always been turned on by stories and images of bondage and captivity, going back to when I was about four or five years old. I think these feelings were natural to my psyche, because it seems absurd to suggest that I was already reacting to the leadership role at that early age. However, it ultimately does not matter; human personality is an alchemy for which the basis is the idiosynchratic brain architecture and biochemistry of the individual, altered and influenced by nurture and experience.

But for such subs, the fact that, it puts you in such a vulnerable state, what safety procedures do you do, to make sure, you really don't end up with a master who goes over your limits, and end up killing you? Isn't that extremely difficult? Especially with the submissive nature? How do you prevent yourself from being taken advantaged?

What safety procedures do you take before putting your life in the hands of the driver of a public vehicle? How can one avoid putting trust in a doctor or some public authority figure like a cop who ends up killing her? Judgment, that's how. The wise person avoids putting her life in the hands of ANYONE who makes her feel uncomfortable or even less than condfident, whether in public life or private life. If you honestly believe that a woman is in any more danger from being alone and naked with a dominant than with any other male, you are dangerously naive. The vast majority of women who are killed by men whom they trusted are in social or vanilla-sexual situations with that man, not BDSM ones.

As for "submissive nature", don't commit the neofeminist error of pretending that sexually submissive women are passive weaklings. The majority of women I know are sexually submissive to one degree or another, and most of them are extremely strong women. Although I'm sure there are exceptions, most submissive women will not submit to just anybody; between my first dominant boyfriend and my husband there was a space of 15 years, during which time I met only one other man I would have submitted to (except that he was not in love with me and we probably could never have lived together, though we were and still are the best of friends).

As for safety procedures, the most elementary one is the "safeword", a word unlikely to come up in normal conversation which the parties have agreed will serve as a "panic button" to stop the proceedings immediately (since you might want to scream "no" or "stop" without really meaning them). Any dominant who does not INSTANTLY stop after the safeword is uttered is dangerous and untrustworthy, and the sub should immediately break off relations with him.


Woman is the Earth and Man is the Sky.