Karen Black claims...


Karen Black continually claims that this film ended her high profile movie career during the mid 1970's. She has stated in interviews that she regrets accepting the role of Faye Greener and believes that she would have had a much more prolific career in films had she not made this film. She alludes to behind the scene gossip and people spreading rumours- what were these rumours, anyone know and who were the people spreading them? Although she was too old for the role of Faye I thought she did well and the film itself seems to be much underrated and has become a personal favourite of mine.

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That's a very interesting point you made. I would like to have argued it, as I remember reading that Karen Black was getting Oscar buzz for this film, but I think what you've said can often be true. Whatever happened to Louise Fletcher (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest), Faye Dunaway post 'Mommie Dearest' and no doubt countless others. Perhaps playing such characters can be considered career suicide by performers. Watch out Mo'Nique!

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While "Locust" is a good movie, I don't recall it doing any box office. And, that may have contributed to the demise of Karen Black's career.

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This role was a peak for her, if you ask me. Rumors and gossip are always around. If she wants to blame a film for hurting her career, "Airport '75" would be a good start.

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She's perfect in Locust, but if you look at her other work, she doesn't seem to have much range. She should be proud to have been in such a masterpiece.

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Even though this film wasn't a box office smash, it didn't hurt the incredible career of Donald Sutherland. Yes, he has been in some real stinkers since, but he does go on. I can't think of one actor who hasn't made their share of rubbish. I fully agree Ms Black's range is limited and that, more than anything, is what has "killed her career".

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This is my all time favorite film, and the one that made me want to be an actor. I would have traded places with William Atherton any day of the week for that role. Saw this film thirty times in the theater. Wish I was in this film.

From the information I read, and from meeting Karen Black, I don't think it was a favorite film of hers, simply, because she was the second or third choice for the role, and the director and Sutherland let her know it. She was brilliant in this film. Other than Tod, never thought the characters in the book were well drawn anyway, so Karen Black was a welcome addition.

She had a wide range. This was evident in Great Gatsby, Family Plot, Nashville, and overlooked film called CRIME AND PASSION. Remember, in those days her films were critical, not financial, successes.

Another fact is Atherton had the most difficult role as 'the reactor' who had to take this all in. DOTL was only his fourth film. Two were day player parts, the other was the third lead in SUGARLAND EXPRESS, a film directed by a great man that was not regarded, at the time, as being an 'actor's director.' Atherton had some large shoes to fill, and the Director, never made him forget that. And, as everybody will testify, Atherton is brilliant in this film.

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From the information I read, and from meeting Karen Black, I don't think it was a favorite film of hers, simply, because she was the second or third choice for the role, and the director and Sutherland let her know it. She was brilliant in this film. Other than Tod, never thought the characters in the book were well drawn anyway, so Karen Black was a welcome addition.


So, if the trivia is correct, Goldie Hawn and Sally Struthers.....? THANK GOODNESS they got Karen Black. Neither one of them at the time were ready for that kind of role.

She had a wide range. This was evident in Great Gatsby, Family Plot, Nashville, and overlooked film called CRIME AND PASSION. Remember, in those days her films were critical, not financial, successes.


True. Also, let's not forget she played five different characters in Trilogy of Terror, albeit a tv movie, but still...five characters.

Never saw Crime and Passion but she did do a movie later on in her older years called Red Dirt in which she shined.

And she survived unscathed doing a movie with BOTH Bette Davis, The Grand Dame Bitch and Oliver Reed, a seedy perverted lush. hahahah.

One more small tv role she played was in Law & Order: Criminal Intent. She was a drunken mother, and played it well.

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This film exposed Miss Black for what she was. She was a moderately competent supporting actress of limited looks and appeal,not a star. She lucked into a couple of high profile movies, ‘The Great Gatsby’ starring the most overhyped star of that era (Think George Clooney), of course I mean Robert Redford, and ‘Airport ‘75’, which was a sequel to one of the top ten movies of that time. Anyway when they finally gave her a starring role, she fell flat on her face. Personally the executives who thought she was going to be a star deserve much of the blame. She was an actress in her 30's not particularly attractive and not even compelling to watch. She really can't be blame for accepting the role because she thought it was her shot at the big time. But at the same time she should stop complaining, not every actress get that opportunity, just her bad luck it didn't worked out.


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One of the most memorable films exploiting Hollywood in my opinion. Regarding Karen Black, no matter what you think of her talent or looks, by the period of this film she had reached Hollywood's "sell by" date, and even though she has done plenty since DotL, as the previous poster stated, she was a supporting actress and that is what her career has been built on.

If we turn back now, we'll have more to face than man-eating plants.

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... she was a supporting actress and that is what her career has been built on.
Agreed and IMHO a pretty ordinary one, who never really stood out, even in the more successful movies she made.🐭

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'Agreed and IMHO a pretty ordinary one, who never really stood out, even in the more successful movies she made.'
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Thats B.S. She elevated a simple line. And she was compelling and excellent in Airport 75;, not an easy role to play convincingly

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And she was compelling and excellent in Airport 75;,
OMG! How could I have forgotten about the movie that Pauline Kael described as "cut-rate swill", "produced on a TV-movie budget by mercenary businessmen" and who described Black's performance as "grating"?🐭

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OMG! How could I have forgotten about the movie that Pauline Kael described as "cut-rate swill", "produced on a TV-movie budget by mercenary businessmen" and who described Black's performance as "grating"
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OMG! (whatever than means)
How could I have forgotten Roger Ebert SAYING THE COMPELLING PERFORMANCE OF Karen black. Is he inferior to Kael?

There was nothing TV-movie about it; a tv movie would not have the production costs and effort it took to make this. But, even if it did, that has nothing to do with a performance. Never mind what Kael says, watch and listen for yourself. Does Black sound believable for a person in those dire circumstances? Does she sound sincere? Does she seem believable while figuring out the control buttons? Nothing grating about her.

What, because it's called Airport 75' and "Karen Black" is in it, it must be swill according to Kael. Kael is a pompous pretentious-sounding dumb bitch



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Does Black sound believable for a person in those dire circumstances? Does she sound sincere? Does she seem believable while figuring out the control buttons? Nothing grating about her.
NO!
OMG! (whatever than means)
Get real!
Kael is a pompous pretentious-sounding dumb bitch
Yes, a good dose of personal abuse will always strengthen your argument. You are really on the ball aren't you. She's also dead.🐭

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I see, as an actress she has to enter a cockpit with a gaping hole and react, when she's really looking at a blank wall, and you think that's a piece of cake to do, and continue that distress all the way through.

and why NO, because you just don't like her? You don't know what good acting is. Just your immature "OMG" tells me enough about you



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I think you are likely young, and a twit. Now, it's ok for me to sound loathing, after all, Kael was loathing and you like her. Get real, now.

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... because you just don't like her? You don't know what good acting is.
How quaintly and foolishly presumptuous!
Now, it's ok for me to sound loathing, after all, Kael was loathing and you like her
OMG! Interestinly constructed sentence! But I guess if it sounds right to you ... that's good enough (like Black's acting), which likely says a great deal about you and your "intellectual qualities" or lack thereof and you laughingly want to label me a "twit".
I think you are likely young ...
Thanks for the compliment. Certainly young at heart, I'm frequently told.🐭

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it's ok, sweetie---you're right and the world is wrong. Bye

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Spooky thinks that Don Ameche deserved his Oscar for COCOON-85', when he didn't even deserve a nomination. They have no darn clue.


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You're still dribbling on the same as ever I see. Actually it was the total reverse...

BTW I'll say it again, as I said earlier, I personally didn't agree with the final decision. I saw it as being between Eric Roberts and Klaus Maria Brandeur. ...
but as usual with you rascal, it's a case of never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

You babbled on long and hard about Hume Cronyn deserving the Oscar for Cocoon over all the other nominees for that year without any real qualification or explanation. I simply pointed out that Ameche was likely chosen by the studio as the representative candidate for that film and therefore had his foot in the door and duly won. Even if it had been Cronyn nominated, there's nothing to say he would have won, as you continually and erroneously assumed, though if he had, I wouldn't have begrudged his success, as you have continually done, even now, with Ameche.🐭

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Again, you are wrong and making up your own rat infested tails. It wasn't Cronyn and you even kept alluding to him in that specific thread for some reason. It was Brimley I preferred. It was also your lack of understanding of the nomination and voting process. You were only comprehending what you wanted too. Makes life easier doesn't it? Not that it really matters, as you wouldn't know a good performance, or know any reasonable and justifiable truth, if a thousand other rodents bit you on your flea infested ratty ass. Now go and watch Karen Black and learn about what "real" and "in the moment" acting is all about, if you can bring yourself to swallow your diseased little pride.

Read it and learn Spooky, it just might sink in this time:

Spooky, just as I thought, you can't contribute anything else useful, or give a direct answer to my last question. You have blatantly and deceitfully misinterpreted what is said, to avoid admitting you have failed. Just to clarify, so you may get some inkling of reasoning and maybe even understanding:

1/-Fox, "undeservedly" promoted Ameche for support actor, out of 3 better performances in the same film.
2/-AMPAS®, "undeservedly" considered Ameche for a supp. actor nomination in the balloting process.
3/-There was likely a shameful, "undeserved", backing and hyped expensive campaigning from Fox, for voters to vote for Ameche.
4/- Majority of academy voters, blindly and without perception, "undeservedly" voted for Ameche, out of a more worthy bunch of nominees.

Politics aside, Ameche was still an "underserving" winner 30 years ago and is still an "undeserved" winner 30 years later.

Dig!




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Brimley, Cronyn ... the argument is exactly the same. You didn't understand the basic nomination process and I had to lay it out and explain it to you until even a bozo like you understood the error of your ways.

As for your quote, all it does is support what I've been saying all along. You're still ranting and whining 30 years later that your man didn't get up. It's just a selection of your deluded opinions and it's laughable that you really seem to believe they exist as some sort of foundation on which to mount an argument. What a simpleton you are!🐭

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The argument was, that it wouldn't have mattered who was nominated, as long as it wasn't Ameche. Even if one of the others had been nominated and "not" won, it wouldn't have mattered, because they were at least "deserving". That is your own conspiracy, about Ameche being a representative. Bulls<>t! You also were claiming that AMPAS could do whatever they wanted. Yes, but it doesn't mean it can't get scrutinized and it does and it will. Pleased you are deeply asleep and I think you also need to get of your pretentious high horse as well. Where Black is concerned, you are judging the quality of films, as opposed to the quality of performance and putting it all in the same basket. How narrow and simpleminded of you. Now if you would excuse me, I have some rat droppings to vacuum up. 😏



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Pauline Kael was not a deity and just because she was a respected critic for her time, doesn't mean that she is right. Film opinions are all subjective anyway and if if you don't like Black fine; but it doesn't mean you are right either. I suppose it depends on what you are looking for in a performance and connecting with. Too many actors can elevate their craft to be more important than what it is and people then buy into it. They want others to believe that no-one else can do what they do and have way too much ego. Black didn't appear to have a pretense about her craft and was more in the moment.



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...a pretty ordinary one, who never really stood out...
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Ha! I would say that Black had undeniable charm and screen charisma and was always an asset to whatever film she was in. She also was a very convincing actress and made her characters 'real' and believable. I find it hard to take my eyes of her. That said, she may have been difficult to work with and that may have affected the quality of some of her films; but hey, perhaps she was content to do the low budget films she did and it appears she was never short of work.



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I may have seen it years ago Nan on tv, can't really recall. I have seen the second one, made in the 90's; but Black doesn't star in this one.



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I think this is one of Karen Black's best performances and I always attributed her career demise to "Trilogy of Terror" and "Burnt Offerings"... I saw her in her one-woman about 5 years ago and asked her after the show if she would autograph my DVD of "Day of the Locust", she very politely obliged but seemed rather miffed when I referred to it as "her best". It sort of makes sense now!

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I always enjoyed Karen Black, especially so in "Locust". I was always under the impression she gave up her career to raise a family.

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I thought she was superb in "The Day of the Locust". The fact that she was older than the Faye Greener of the book,made her character even more desperate.The look on her face as she sees a younger woman being groomed for stardom...Her manic moments of ups and downs,...her brilliant dark comic performance, still linger in my memory. I think it's a very misunderstood performance and along with her work in "Come Back to the 5 & Dime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean", her best.
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It was a great role for her but subsequent films did not do well in the box office.

Its that man again!!

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I thought Karen Black was perfect as Faye Greener.

The fact that Karen was not quite beautiful, and slightly too old, made her character even more tragic.

Karen Black is always fascinating to watch. I disagree with the notion that she was only a supporting player. She was capable in supporting and leading roles.

It's funny that Hollywood considered her "sell by date" up in 1975. And look how many decades she has worked since!

If the movie failed at the box office, it probably had less to do with the stars, and more to do with the dark subject matter.

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