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Arnold Horshak Character was Horrible


He was the only character I did not like at all. The other students, and Gabe, were fantastic (my favorite was Freddie). Aside from the character, poor Ron Pallilo could never break away from the character.

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It was bad for a while, but he overcame it.

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I agree, he was more annoying then funny but I always found Epstein the funniest. I think it was the notes , "signed Epstein mom's doctor".

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I also liked the way you could see Epstein's lips moving as if he was reciting the letter himself. Then there was the Epstein walk.

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Yep, Ron laughed all the way to the bank. I think he felt guilty for 1/632 of a second about the tragedy of his fame and fortune.

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In all honesty, I doubt this show made him "filthy rich".

Probably "comfortable", yes. But I doubt much more than that.

I could be wrong.

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I think you're right. Television pays well but not as well as today. I once read up on actor salaries (TV) and they are definitely making more today than they did then - and this is taking inflation into account.

Although it isn't a sitcom in comparison, the cast of DYNASTY never made a bundle and they were the #1 show at one point and huge worldwide. It took Joan Collins like 5 years to get a raise - and she was credited for not only saving the show but helping elevate it. If the actors did majorly "profit", it's because they stayed on the show for years and years and were smart with their money.

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IMDB trivia says that Travolta was paid $2,000 per episode as a special guest star, after the success of Saturday Night Fever. That seems low, even for the 70s. Suzanne Somers was getting $30,000 per episode for Three's Company, and wanted $150,000. It doesn't sound like any of them would have been set for life on what they got paid.






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Yeah, wow. Thanks for the info.

Plus even if these actors are paid well, they have to deduct their paycheque for their agent, manager, possible lawyer and taxes. And they don't know if they'll ever get a gig again.

Not that I'm giving SO much sympathy to them, as people can get a "regular" job if need be, but just some things to take into account.

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For anyone to think he was rich from this gig is clueless. I heard that the most Fran Tarkenton made in a season was $150,000 and he was the top Qb in the NFL in the 70's. People in Entertainment did not make a lot by todays standards. Someone like Ron considering WBK was his first big gig probably got screwed even more. I believe Gabe Kaplin asked for money and was shown the door. WBK ran without him for several episodes. And Ron never got another good gig after this show. His character was a fairly popular character back in the day also. Take what he made and even if he invested the money wisely he probably had nothing to show for it when he died.


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Gabe KaplAn (Kaplan, not kaplin... Whaaaat?)

Gabe Kaplan didn't ask for more money -- and wasn't "shown the door". There are numerous posts explaining more of what happened that final season. Look it up!


So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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They was a huge different. John Travolta was allowed out of his contract if he would film those few episodes and agreed to those terms. Whereas Suzanne Somers thought Three's Company wouldn't survive without her. Basically her manager and husband misread the original contract and she was left without a job. They forced her to film a handful of episodes without John and Joyce who were really pissed off at her and her husband gumption refused to work with her so, her scenes were filmed elsewhere and then edited it together, side by side in split screen.

That was probably one of the worst television scandals from the late 70's. The first being Farrah Fawcett exit from Charlie's Angels. I was fairly young, about 9 or 10, but even back then I thought Suzanne was too old to play Christie. The character was supposed to be in her early 20's while Suzanne was in her early 30's, putting her her in pigtails and little girl hairdos couldn't hide the aging around her mouth and eyes.

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Nice try about using the forced, overused "laughing all the way to the bank" line. Seriously why would you say that? Are you feeling ok ?

Joseph spadaro has it more to the truth. In the E! True Hollywood story, Ron Palillo states that a year after the show was over, he had no gigs, no offers, was typecast, and "didn't know where the next dollar would come from".

Fans of the show know this and likely saw that True Hollywood story. Whackos who write about laughing all the way to the bank shouldn't be on these boards.


So: a realistic, down to earth show..which is completely off the wall swarming with magic robots?!

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Okay in a general response to the topic at hand....how is Arnold a horrible character?

Ron played a teenage boy (likely 14 at start, as still
in high school in 1979) and an introverted one at that.

A boy who does what everyone tells him to do, gets undeservedly pushed around and made
fun of, doesn't speak his mind (until later) and has no experience with the opposite sex.

At the same time Horshack's from a home with a mother that's been married about 4 times and with the neighborhood environment that surrounds him, it's a wonder he hasn;t been mugged, seriously beaten up or killed.

Once Ron's character starts to grow and change (and grow
up a little), I can only say that his acting is really great.

Watch : "There Goes Number 5" :
After his fifth stepfather dies, Horshack decides
it's time for him to grow up and become the head of the house.

The Deprogramming of Arnold Horshack
Horshack joins a religious cult and decides to drop out of school to go live with with the cult members. But before he leaves, the Sweathogs pull him into the school bathroom and try to deprogram him.

Sweatwork
The Sweathogs host a radio station at school, but Horshack's ratings are so bad that he gets canceled. In his final broadcast, he becomes a radical radio broadcaster causing his ratings to soar.

S3, Ep22 / Feb. 9th, 1978 - What Goes Up ; Mostly Freddie's episode
but watch how Ron plays Horschack after taking some of Freddie's pills.


The Return of Hotsy Totsy - His empathy for Rosalie is very real.

Once Upon a Ledge - I watched this last night and he was spectacular in it.


If you put aside the horse-like Horshack laugh and the "Ooh-ooh's" ....you get a pretty well rounded character. A boy trying very hard to become a man and also, a nice guy with a lot to say but has to learn how to say it and say it with strength and conviction.

Which isn;t easy when people don't take you seriously or treat you equally.



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he was all right didn't care for his character but did not hate him either he was funny but could not stand that laugh

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I liked Horshack......male version of me. I wasn't 'right' and was in remedial in my own school bc of it. But I was smart and wasn't 'bad'

I know Travolta was supposed to be the 'hottie' and yes the guy playing horshack was gay/in the closet (which he really had to do @ that time) but this character seems like more of a likeable person.

I would have wanted to pal around w him

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Horshack looks like Richard Simmon's nerdy brother.

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Hellow, howaya....I'm Arnahld Hawshack.

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and?? Other thing is both of my parents are from Newark NJ so this is how they talk.

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I didn't like any of the characters ...other than Gabe/Kotter. The Washington kid constantly mispronouncing Kotter ( Car-ti-ier) just became too annoying after the first 20 times.
The Travolta character was dumb. Really stupid. It shouldn't be surprising he got out as soon as he could.

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