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Which order should I watch the episodes in season 1?


Apart from Breakaway (the set-up for the series), how should I continue watch the episodes? I read about a debate over the order to watch the episodes, but does it matter? I know that Star Trek TOS from the 60s had different clothes in the first produced epidodes (and should be watched in that order), but here in Space 1999 is there any continuity at all in clothes, relations etc in season 1 or should I just watch them as they originally aired in tv?

Grateful for an answer! :-)

PS. I have seen season 1 a long time ago, but want to see it right this time. DS.

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To me, the first few episodes shouldn't involve planets; the moon isn't far enough away from our solar system. Also "Earthbound" should be the introduction of humanoid aliens; thus "Force of Life" makes a good second episode (which it seems to have been in Britain). "The Troubled Spirit" makes a good third episode, an important question raised is their food concerns.
"Another Time, Another Place" could be next, as they find themselves in completely unknown space at the end. This would explain why it would take the Caldoreans seventy-five years to reach Earth in the next one - "Earthbound".
The next several should consist of "Death's Other Dominion", "Dragon's Domain", "Voyager's Return", "Matter of Life and Death" and "Ring Around the Moon", as they all involve Earth in some way.
Next, "Black Sun" sends the moon into a different galaxy.
"The Last Sunset" should come before "The Full Circle", as the Paul and Sandra thing is addressed, and "The Testament of Arkadia" should be season one's finale.

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Thanks!

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watch them in the order they were aired. Why would you want to watch them in any other order? just because one or two might of been filmed before another and then aired afterwards might mess up the flow of the episodes.

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Maybe you are right, I will reconsider :-)

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The problem is that what order they aired in depended on where you were watching. There was no official running order, and different stations aired them in different running orders.

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The show's makers intentionally produced the episodes so they could be shown in any order after "Breakaway". One exception was "End of Eternity" which made a reference to the immortals seen on "Death's Other Dominion".
"A Matter of Life and Death" was the second episode produced and originally intended to be the first planet they came across, but dialog was added so it could be placed anywhere in the order (reconnaissance pilot reporting to Koenig that with this planet he thinks "they made it this time", for example).

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Not quite. Black Sun was supposed to be the second episode and was supposed to explain how the Moon got out of our solar system so quickly. Unfortunately, it aired far later in the order than it was produced.

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I think the air dates listed here on IMDB are the original first run dates as shown in the UK. They should also match the order on the DVD's.

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I've got the first disc from NetFlix. The eps are not in the same order as IMDB's list. "A Matter Of Life And Eath" is the second ep on the first disc and "Black Sun" is the third.

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That's production order.

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Yes, I figured that out.

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That reasoning doesn't hold true for some shows... 2 great and mishandled shows come to mind.

Firefly (2002) aired the third episode first because Fox thought it had more action. The order was fixed in the Blu-ray and DVD release.

American Gothic (1995), CBS really botched this one airing crucial episodes out of order or not even airing some. This will kill a serialized show and it did. To make matters, the DVD set is also out order. So if you ever watch it get an order list.

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They were nearly ALL aired out of production order, not just 1 or 3. In fact, no two stations in the USA aired them in the same order.

Even the UK order is more than a bit skewed. Earthbound and Black Sun should have been very early on because of the nature of the episodes. Earthbound in particular appears to play like a direct follow up to Breakaway. And they also showed some of the very late episodes far to early IMO. You can see the list on Wiki.

That said, the UK order is MOSTLY the best way to watch them, unless you have them on DVD in production order.

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Here in New England, every station had the same order, but in other places it was different. For instance, our order had "War Games" as the second episode, whereas NYC had "Dragon's Domain". Apparently the destributors gave each television market a different order, for some unknown reason. It always bugged me that "The Last Enemy" was the final season one episode, when it should've been "The Testament of Arkadia".

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First numbers are air order, second numbers are production number

01 - 01 - Breakaway
13 - 02 - Matter of Life and Death
10 - 03 - Black Sun
19 - 04 - Ring Around the Moon
14 - 05 - Earthbound
16 - 06 - Another Time, Another Place
20 - 07 - Missing Link
11 - 08 - Guardian of Piri
02 - 09 - Force of Life
07 - 10 - Alpha Child
17 - 11 - The Last Sunset
06 - 12 - Voyager's Return
03 - 13 - Collision Course
05 - 14 - Death's Other Dominion
15 - 15 - The Full Circle
12 - 16 - End of Eternity
04 - 17 - War Games
24 - 18 - The Last Enemy
22 - 19 - The Troubled Spirit
21 - 20 - Space Brain
18 - 21 - The Infernal Machine
09 - 22 - Mission of the Darians
08 - 23 - Dragon's Domain
23 - 24 - The Testament of Arkadia

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I alter the order for myself, as "Black Sun" sends the moon into another galaxy. Therefore Earth-related episodes (such as "Voyager's Return", "Dragon's Domain", etc.) have to be shown first.

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That's the beauty of this show as you can watch them in any old order you want! If you have an earth ship or missing astronauts near to the end of the series and after they've passed through the black sun or ion storm then so what? Maybe the other team went through an ion storm to get there too! Brian Blessed and his crew speak of a force that sent them to the ends of space and time as well!


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True about the Uranus Probe.
But back in the '90s I made my own set of VHS copies, integrating footage from the Sci-Fi Channel as well as from a local station of ours to come up with the most complete episodes possible, as there were only four of them available on the market at the time.
I had put "Voyager's Return" immediately after "Breakaway" (which were the ones I watched the night of 9/13/99), so the Alphans weren't that shocked to come face-to-face with the Caldoreans (the second alien episode in my collection).

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True about the Uranus Probe.
But back in the '90s I made my own set of VHS copies, integrating footage from the Sci-Fi Channel as well as from a local station of ours to come up with the most complete episodes possible, as there were only four of them available on the market at the time.
I had put "Voyager's Return" immediately after "Breakaway" (which were the ones I watched the night of 9/13/99), so the Alphans weren't that shocked to come face-to-face with the Caldoreans (the second alien episode in my collection).

Sorry for the repeated post. The first one didn't seem to go through.

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In the thread "No Alien Cares About the Moon?!?!?" several posts mention that in some episodes the time since the Moon left Earth obit is mentioned.

Fletcher119 wrote in part:

...It would seem that Freiberger produced the show as though season one never existed, apart from the moon blasting out of orbit.
The one mention of Victor Bergman ended up as a deleted scene from "The Metamorph".
There were no references to any events that had occurred on season one (besides the moon's breakaway).
Koenig and Helena had met on "Breakaway" but a whole conflicting backstory was created on "Bringers of Wonder", where Helena and Diana Morris had become rivals on Earth over Koenig.
"The Metamorph" occurred 342 days after the moon had left Earth, although "Dragon's Domain" had taken place 877 days after...


In another post Jimmy-128 discusses teenage character Shermeen Williams from "A Matter of Balance" and says:

Never understood what the hell was she doing there in the first place. She's described more than once as a teenager. Even assuming that she's nineteen, Helena states that 1702 days have passed since the Moon left Earth's orbit--over four and a half years. There's no way a fifteen-year-old would have been assigned to Moonbase Alpha, even in the unlikely event that she was qualified to work there.


So at least three episodes are dated by the number of days passed since leaving Earth's orbit. If all 48 episodes have such dating watch them in that order. If only some episodes have such dating it will be a start in finding the right order.

Those episodes not dated by days since leaving Earth can be dated by production order.

Sometimes dating episodes by days since leaving Earth or by production order might seem to make Story A happen before Story B even though some evidence in the episodes might seem to contradict that.

But remember that in an episodic TV series most episode more or less happen in alternate universes separate from the alternate universes of the other episodes.

Among many other reasons, if in an adventure series a hero faces great danger in every episodes the odds that he will survive the entire series will be incredibly small. For example, if the hero has a ten percent chance of dying in every episode and thus a ninety percent chance of surviving, his probability of surviving ten episodes will be 0.348, of surviving twenty episodes will be 0.12, of surviving thirty episodes will be 0.0421, of surviving forty episodes will be 0.014, of surviving fifty episodes will be 0.0051, and so on.

So the 48 episodes of Space 1999 should happen in almost 48 separate alternate universes.

Thus all first season episodes should happen only after the first episode "Breakaway", but not after other first season episodes. And most second season episodes should only happen after "Breakaway" and after "The Metamorph", the first second season episode, and not after any other first or second season episodes.




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If you watch the episodes in announced "number of days since..." order, "Dragon's Domain" (877 days since...) would come right before "The Rules of Luton" (892 days since...). To make matters more conflicting, it is stated at the opening of "Luton" that the moon had just emerged from a 42-day space storm, in which "Dragon's Domain" would've occurred right in the middle of it.

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I don't remember enough about "Dragon's Domain" and "The Rules of Luton" to see any conflict between them starting 15 days apart apart and in that order.

As for the space storm:


But remember that in an episodic TV series most episode more or less happen in alternate universes separate from the alternate universes of the other episodes.

Among many other reasons, if in an adventure series a hero faces great danger in every episodes the odds that he will survive the entire series will be incredibly small. For example, if the hero has a ten percent chance of dying in every episode and thus a ninety percent chance of surviving, his probability of surviving ten episodes will be 0.348, of surviving twenty episodes will be 0.12, of surviving thirty episodes will be 0.0421, of surviving forty episodes will be 0.014, of surviving fifty episodes will be 0.0051, and so on.

So the 48 episodes of Space 1999 should happen in almost 48 separate alternate universes.

Thus all first season episodes should happen only after the first episode "Breakaway", but not after other first season episodes. And most second season episodes should only happen after "Breakaway" and after "The Metamorph", the first second season episode, and not after any other first or second season episodes.



So it is possible that sometime before both "Dragons Domain" and "The Rules of Luton" advanced space aliens detected the Moon and debated whether to use their giant tractor beams to divert its course away from or toward their home world. Or maybe, unaware of the Moon and it's course, they were debating whether to use their control of space weather to extinguish the space storm mentioned in Rules of Luton". In the alternate universe of "Rules of Luton" the Moon passed through the space storm between day 850 an day 892, and in the alternate universe of "Dragon's Domain" the space weather, in possibly a different area of space, was clear on day 877.

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I would have loved to have seen them simply redub Helena's opening narration of "Dragon's Domain" from 877 days to a lesser number, also correcting the embarrassing "drifting between galaxies" reference to "drifting between solar systems", which is what her line should've been.

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Better still would be changing the dates on the series 2 episodes as you can't mess around with perfection! They should have dated The Metamorph at 1000 days since leaving earth orbit rather than 342 which was ridiculous!

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Excellent idea.

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Neither of those shows are Earth-related in the least. DD is said to have happened over 800 days SINCE leaving Earth's orbit. On top of which, they are said to be MILLIONS of light years away from Earth.

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That opening narration is the only thing about DD that I don't like. It takes place too far in the future, and I cringe every time I hear Helena say "...between galaxies drifting in empty space" when the writers meant that the moon was between solar systems.
The Alphans mention that the Voyager was "coming back", implying that they themselves weren't all that far from the Earth's solar system, apparently taking place prior to "Black Sun", which Victor believed had sent them "across the universe".

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Nope! Apart from the fact that the moon had been through a time warp and a black sun, the solar system we inhabit is on the very edge of the milky way and if the moon had of left in that direction then it would be between galaxies or it could be where the moon was deposited after it's two earth shattering voyages in time and space! The alien spaceship graveyard was also moving through space and the moon eventually caught up with them in Dragon's Domain! Voyager one could also be returning to earth but just how far out it was is up to how you watch them and in what order you play them in, nothing to do with a bad scientific theory or poorly written series!
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You'll notice some stars around the spaceship graveyard (and not just in the flashback scenes), and it has been noted that the writers didn't always get things right. The line "drifting between galaxies" was clearly an error on the wtiter's part.

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Who is to say that the moon wasn't on it's way to Andromeda or even another galaxy? I don't see the line as an error, only that later on Helena states to Koenig that they are three months eagle travel time to the nearest star system...

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That would make sense if they were between star systems, which I'm positive was the writer's intention. Note how she said "star" and not "Galaxy". It would take three millennia (at least) to reach another galaxy, traveling straight across space.

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Even if they were between galaxies all you have to do is watch either Another Time, Another Place, Black Sun or The Metamorph next and you get the moon into another solar system or area of space straight away!

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Supposedly it was the Black Sun that sent them into a different Galaxy. "All the way across the universe" was Victor's explanation.

Was Helena guessing they'd come across a "Another Time, Another Place" phenomenon when announcing they were three months' eagle travel time from the next star system? I think not.

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No she wasn't guessing as they didn't know what was going to happen next in outer space! In End of Eternity Paul tells Koenig that they are three light years from the nearest star system and if the asteroid has come from there then it would have taken a thousand years to get where they are! Does that mean it will take the moon a thousand years to reach Progron or is the moon a lot faster than the asteroid?
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Most likely the moon had a faster speed, as the asteroid seemed to be drifting, rather then moving as the moon was.

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I wonder what kind of world Progron became after Balor was exiled?
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When I saw it originally Earthbound followed Breakaway due to Commissioner Simmonds' presence in both episodes. Then it went to A Matter of Life and Death.

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I've only ever seen it in syndication (too young for the original run) So i never knew they were shown out of order.

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That's the beauty of seventies TV you don't have to watch them in any set order! Many channels swapped them around a bit!
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The Italian channel RAI had an interesting ordering to the episodes back in 1975 I thought. at least with the first series that is...
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