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Did Larry David's SNL Holocaust jokes fail to land because it’s 2017?


https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/why-larry-davids-holocaust-joke-was-so-uncomfortable/545105/

Joking about the Holocaust or the Nazis might’ve worked in past years, but not in 2017, says Jeremy Dauber. “David’s invocation of the concentration camp on Saturday as a kind of peekaboo provocation—kidding/not kidding; comedy is tragedy plus time—might ring particularly hollow in an America where neo-Nazis march openly on the streets and white-nationalist memes proliferate online.”

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So his jokes "failed to land"....big deal. He still has the right to say them.

But I find it funny (in a curious way, not in a laughable way) that any criticism of him seems to be very tempered by the fact that he's a Jew telling jokes about the Holocaust, the same way that Black comedians get a mostly free pass to make N-word jokes about themselves. Maybe it's time that these groups should be held to the same type of outraged criticism that would erupt if a non-Jew or non-Black told the same kind of jokes.

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> So his jokes "failed to land"....big deal. He still has the right to say them.

Did anyone question his right to make that joke? Though I think it is too
bad that there is apparently no censor or review at HBO, because that joke
was sick and should have been cut. Maybe if it was hilariously funny there
would be a payoff, but it was just stupid in its insensitivity. When people
say "never forget" they mean it for all people, and that is one pathetic
step towards trivializing and forgetting the past. Words, even words in
jokes mean something.

A comedian should tell funny jokes, and I think TMC's point was that it was
not. Trying to joke about the Holocaust, and not only that but a story about
how the Holocaust affected, albeit fictionally, one person putting them in a
more than horrible spot is not funny. There may be people who think it is
funny, like someone might think kicking a dog is funny, but there are bounds
to humor.

Joking about the N-word is in a different class, and they are not joking about
slavery or the N-word itself, but the use of it in daily life among people with an
oppressive background. That doesn't fit with the Holocaust at all. Why all the
attempts to make all of this stuff equivalent. Blacks are doing something like
freeing themselves from the meaning of that word in contemporary life by
taking it as their own. That is not equivalent to Jews or any of the people
murdered by the Nazis.

Larry David, a Jew, is exploiting his own tragic background, because I am sure
being a Jew from Brooklyn it's a certainty he had relatives murdered in WWII.

I think the other point is, jokes have a meaning, so what is the meaning of
this particular attempt at humor, and did Larry David even think about it?
I'd love to hear him answer the question as to what was his point? Jewish
or not, I thought that was an a-hole thing to say, because the meaning and
humor in it was not thought out or developed.

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He just had a lame holocaust joke on the latest episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

He is arguing with an heating and air conditioning repair man, and wants to know which field he likes better. The repair man says he cannot choose, he likes them both the same. Then Larry said, but if you had to make a choice, a Sophie's Choice between heating and A/C, you choose one to live and one to be sent to a concentration camp.

I'm not even religious and the stupidity and trivializing of that remark really bugged me ... it was offensive and stupid. I guess some bits succeed and some bits fail, but he should have known better about that, and then he did the same thing on SNL.

And by the way, SNL is so bad lately. The last SNL made me chuckle on time, other than that it was not funny at all.

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Sophie's Choice was offensive and stupid.

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No place for Nazis unless they can skulk around anonymously like you. They definitely need to stop installing internet under rocks.

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You writing under your own name?

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I feel jokes like this don't work on SNL today, because of the current trend of ultra liberal outrage being something of a past time,more than legitimate emotions. The current young viewing crowd can't understand what dark humor is,or choose not too, because that would stand in the way of them getting their feathers ruffled.

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I think partly, Larry was just making a point of reminding people how real and not too long ago the Holocaust was. Painting it in a current and relative way through comedy was rather disturbing. Also reminding the world that Jews still have skin in the game of racism as they get forgotten a lot in the national conversation these days.

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I doubt there are even 5000 neo-nazis in the entire country. The media has blown this way, WAY out of proportion. Once upon a time, when the two or three local bigots wanted to march in the street, everybody ignored them and life went on. Americans have gotten particularly dumb about this issue. Then again, Americans being dumb is EXACTLY what the powers-that-be want.

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"I doubt there are even 5000 neo-nazis in the entire country."

True, the only reason it seems like there are more, is because every time someone disagrees with a liberal, the liberal labels them a neo-Nazi. Which is also why Trump is a neo-Nazi in their minds.

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It is unfortunate that the left, once the rational side of most debates, has sunk to conspiracy theory-level hysteria.

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Your link is interesting.

I think there are examples of jokes about the Holocaust, because, yes, comedy is related to tragedy.

For example, we have a local talk show host in the Bay Area here who is Jewish and wrote a book on Jewish humor of which this is an excerpt.

In America and other developed countries, Jews were at last free of persecution, pogroms, and genocide. All of that suffering became grist for the humor mill, even in a controversial joke like the one Joan Rivers told on Fashion Police about German supermodel Heidi Klum’s neckline-plunging gold dress. Rivers was condemned for the remark by the Anti-Defamation League and refused to apologize for saying, while on the red carpet, “The last time a German looked this hot was when they were pushing Jews into the ovens.” Rivers defended the joke, saying that many of the members of her husband Edgar’s family were killed

Krasny, Michael. Let There Be Laughter: A Treasury of Great Jewish Humor and What It All Means (Kindle Locations 2047-2051). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

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