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Turned it off after the 'rape' scene

posted 11 years ago by LaPfieffer92
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This was on encore westerns, and firstly to even attempt a sexual situation with gene Hackman is about as unsavory as seeing peewee herman trying to "do it". But seeing him attack this woman, even if it is supposed to be his wife, was just horrible and ugly on top of Hackman being ugly to begin with. had to shut it off, and after seeing this film being nothing much to watch from reviewers, I don't feel bad I did.

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[–] bear022013-588-696101 11 years ago

Yet another piece of Hollyweird filth that the American people learned from...and acted it out.
Moral decay,rape.slothful behavior.
On a trip to Europe,I asked a 13 year old Irish girl"with"a 50 year old african gentleman and I stopped it....calling the Gardai.
Her reply to me was"Rape is ok..I see it in American movies,it is the way to live.""We have done nothing wrong sir!"
I hope this gets to someone.

[–] LaurieMann 11 years ago

Much as I abhore scenes of rape and violence, we shouldn't engage in wholesale historical revisionism either. Probably hundreds of thousands mail order bride marriages started the same way. So the issue is - how do couples adapt? Do they at least tolerate each other or do they spend the rest of their marriages in quiet desperation or outright hostility?

I almost wonder more about the Eileen Heckart character (Zandy's mother) who seems to be one of those women leading a life of quiet desperation, but who shows more spunk as the movie progresses.

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[–] amsdragons-2 9 years ago

And not just mail order marriage situations. It is likely most arranged marriages throughout history were consummated in that fashion.

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[–] edonovan2 9 years ago

OP: "But seeing him attack this woman, even if it is supposed to be his wife...." So it would be okay if it were his wife?

I agree about that scene -- it was awful to watch -- but his being married to her does not permit him to rape or otherwise abuse her.

[–] longshanks-5 7 years ago

Edonovan2 wrote:
"OP: "But seeing him attack this woman, even if it is supposed to be his wife...." So it would be okay if it were his wife? . . .his being married to her does not permit him to rape or otherwise abuse her."

Edonovan2, you have misunderstood. The O.P. didn't say that it's okay for him to rape here if she is his wife. LaPfleffer92 knows that she is his wife, and says that it's not okay for him to rape her, even though she is his wife. Got it, now?

[–] Prismark10 8 years ago

I reckon life in the wild frontier was unsavoury in the past.

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[–] RamonTrump 8 years ago

So, rape offends you, eh?

I bet you have seen thousands of movie deaths without batting an eye.

[–] skat1140 8 years ago

Your reaction is perfectly valid, however:

This movie almost certainly portrayed the way things might have been at that time. In its way, it's refreshing to have such a disgusting insight into early frontier life. Think about it: nowadays, filmmakers would never dare to make a film like this because showing such reality endangers its marketability and profitability. Yes, its disgusting. But it's probably very close to the way things actually were in those days.

This movie was made in the gritty 'realistic' 1970s, when a studio would actually fork over money to make a movie like this.

[–] matt72582 8 years ago

Some of you have no sense of imagination, you should have been born during the McCarthy Age. You only complain about freedom of speech and expression when it's something you like.

It's a GREAT movie. Rape happens. But when millions are killed in REAL life with YOUR tax money, you do NOTHING. And you probably have watched a million deaths in a movie and would never say a thing.

I think most people are trained, and say what they think they are supposed to say, not what they really feel, so I can only imagine how most of you are in real life.

[–] RamonTrump 8 years ago

You overestimate them, they really are dumbasses. The voted for Obama, and now they will vote for Hillary, what more proof do you need?

Having said that, the movie sucked.

[–] liscarkat (16476) 9 months ago

SPOILERS...

I'm an enthusiastic Gene Hackman fan, but I have to admit this was probably his most despicable character. The rape scene, and Zandy's cruel, stupid treatment of his wife throughout the movie, were hard to watch. However, it's a very well-made, well-acted, interesting character study. How did Zandy get so crude (his father's behavior toward his mother is a good place to start)? Why was Hannah so patient with him? Surely an intelligent, attractive young woman could have found a better place to be. Did their relationship ever evolve into something resembling a normal marriage, in which she could possibly be happy? I wish the ending hadn't been so abrupt. It was almost as if they just ran out of film and decided to call it quits. But at least at that point Zandy was showing some signs of awareness of his faults and willingness to improve. I have to say, when she went to the trouble to fix herself up for the barbeque, and he shoved her head in the trough, I wished the damned bear had eaten him.