Great Movie. Great Performances.


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Just wanted to say to the people who think that Gena Rowlands's performance was "over the top," "cartoony," or "too broad." Have you ever been around a CRAZY person? They are CRAZY. You think CRAZY people are all subdued and subtle all the time? You think there is a "correct" way to portray someone who has an unidentified mental condition where they act nuts that involves "toning it down?" What would the movie be then?
Also, I don't think Peter Falk's character, as some have suggested, leaves us wondering "who's crazier, him or his wife?" Well.....one was institutionalized....that's one clue. Nick was just reacting to what was going on, desperately trying to get things back to normal any way he knew how. Although, it is his unpredictable reactions that make up the other half of the intense experience. I haven't seen all Peter Falk's movies, but this has got to be his best work. (It's so different from Columbo it's hard to compare, but anyway that was television).
To those who think it was boring....did you not worry about the kids? That's what kept me tuned in. You just keep wondering, "what's going to happen to the kids, will they be okay?" Maybe that's a cheap way to keep interest, but it worked.
My favorite moment in the movie is when Peter Falk invites everybody he knows to his house for his wife's homecoming, then he realizes it's wrong, but he doesn't know how to tell everybody to leave....and he's so overwhelmed by the stress that he just walks out of the house, out into the rain, flashes this bewildered, glass-eyed stare at the camera, and starts walking down the sidewalk. To where?! He's just walking away to nowhere in the rain, with all these people gathered at his house, his fragile wife is due home any minute from the mental ward. It was just such an unpredictable thing to do! And then a friend who noticed him leaving comes running after him, stops him before he gets more than a few yards down the street and says, I don't really know your wife or most of the peope in there....and so Falk just turns around without thinking and goes back, then he yells at all the people on his porch to get back inside, like they are the crazy ones!
Good stuff.

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The movie to me is not an exercise in style but an excercise in writing and acting. Gena Rowlands is in no way over the top and Peter Falk couldn't act bad even if he tried. The role of Nick fits him like a glove. I cannot describe the impact that Cassavettes had, or should have had, on the independent filmmakers of our time with this movie. I personally feel that this movie was far better than Shadows of Killing of a Chinese Bookie. Also this movie does not get half of the praise it deserves, but i guess that comes with the independent territory.

A masterpiece.

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We watched this movie in a film class I took. I like the way that Cassavettes has the actors pretty much improv everything. We watched his first movie, it didn't work so well there, it was really weird. You'd have to see it to know what I was talking about. He gets everyone to give great performances in this movie though.

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I agree that the showcase of this film was really the acting and writing. From the films I've seen of Cassavetes, there's always something unique in the style of acting. He lets his actors do their thing. Faces, A Woman Under the Influence, and Husbands were far different than most films I've seen. The study of the relationships between the characters in Cassavetes' films are quite fascinating. Gena Rowlands was superb in this role, as was Peter Falk. I'm dying to see Shadows, Opening Night, The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, and Gloria.

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I think its a misreading to conclude that either one of the main characters is "crazy". The fact that Mabel is the one who gets committed says less about her condition than about the position of women in the society Cassavetes is depicting. There is no sign that her kids or the visiting kids are in any danger - their father freaks out only because Mabel's behaviour falls outside his view of the conventional Italian-American housewife. Nick on the other hand is not considered "crazy" despite physically attacking several people and getting his kids drunk, because men are allowed a lot more freedom. However he too is a victim of circumstance.

Clearly Mabel has what you could call a borderline manic personality, but there's no evidence that she is unable to look after herself or her kids. When the family are alone there is no problem, Nick's difficulties arise when Mabel is unable to fit the role assigned to her - notably it is his mother who drives him to have Mabel committed. The "influence" Mabel is under turns out not to be alcohol as we first expect but patriarchy expressed via Nick and society's limiting expectations of women and of people in general. Put Mabel in a San Francisco commune 6 years earlier and she would look normal.

And having known people with rather more serious cases of this condition I can testify that Gena Rowlands' acting is actually rather understated.

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For the record, "A Woman Under The Influence" was NOT improvised--Cassavettes' first film, "Shadows", was improvised, but heavily rehearsed. The films he directed afterwards were scripted. I've seen a page from the original script of Faces, and in comparing it to the finished film, its clear that the actors veered very little from the scripted dialogue. This is also very apparent when you compare the published Script for Minnie and Moskowitz to the finished film.

"Mikey and Nicky", Elaine May's film starring Cassavettes and Falk, had a script that was constantly being revised by May in colaboration with the leads throughout the shoot, and contained much ad-libbing, but this was not a technique that Cassavettes employed in his own films.

Cassavettes was a brilliant writer, and it's a testament to his ability that his films appeared ad-libbed, an accomplishment often taken for granted or ignored by many of his critics. Cassavette's dialogue is analogous to everyday speech, and he frequently and deliberately subverted the narrative institutions that we've come to expect in traditional drama. There are no story arcs or pat resolutions in Cassavettes films. So much of what has been misread as undisiplined or accidental in his films is in fact, very deliberate. The only truly accidental or technically undisiplined aspect of his films tends to be the cinematography--and this is mainly in his early films. Cassavettes was much better with actors than he was with a camera. But despite how washed-out and poorly lit many of the scenes in "Faces" tend to be, Cassavettes knew how to tell a story, and his main concern was in capturing the performances of the actors--some of the greatest performances ever captured on film.

Mike Leigh, initially inspired by Cassavettes, often attempts to achieve a similar kind of naturalism, but Leigh's recent films tend to be bound by a more traditional story structure. Leigh's earlier movies seemed to be attempts to subvert this tendency, but they leaned too heavily on the actors performances instead of the quality of the writing, and overall, tended not to be as realized as his later films, like "Naked", with the possible exception of his first, "Bleak Moments". Then there's broad comedies like "Nuts in May"; the only film in Cassavettes ouvre that seems remotely similar is "Love Streams" (and possibly "Minnie and Moskowitz"), a film that's worth watching but very rarely screened, and probably one of his weaker efforts. Not to completely dismiss it--it has quite a few only-in-a-Cassavettes-film moments, and it's good to see Cassavettes and his wife Gena Rowlands on the screen together for one last time. But Cassavettes isn't very good at broad humor, as is particularly evidenced by movies like "Big Trouble". Leigh is much better suited to humor through caricature, while Cassavettes tends to generate humor through incident. Cassavettes was too ernest in his aims to truly satirize.


Other directors who work in a similar vein include Elaine May with "Mikey and Nicky"; Many of the films of Ken Loach (though Ken Loach can sometimes be relentless with his social injustice agenda, an agenda that can supercede everything else that should be good about his movies); Sleisenger's "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" and "Midnight Cowboy"; Harmony Korine and Larry Clark's "Kids";Johnathan Nossiter's "Sunday"; about two-thirds of "Last Tango in Paris" made brilliant by Brando despite its melodramatic and unlikely premise,and a number of Brandoless scenes that seem as if they were inserted from another movie; Susan Skoog's much overlooked "Whatever", and Bob Rafelson's "Five Easy Pieces". Some of these movies were blessed by good fortune and happinstance, produced under conditions that can never be repeated, like "Kids", or "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" (Why didn't Penelope Gilliatt write any more movies?), and the infamously difficult "Mikey and Nicky".

I will also begrudgingly mention Henry Jaglom, though he tends to be the least interesting actor in his own movies in which he plays a character not named Henry Jaglom who acts suspiciously like Henry Jaglom, like Woody Allen when Woody Allen isn't funny. But sometimes he can get honesty out of his performers despite himself. I am very anxious to see "Tracks" in particular, in hopes that it will be the exception to my usual reservations about Jaglom, but I've been unable to find it either on video or DVD.

If anyone knows of other directors or films that they think might be similar in spirit to these, please let me know.

On a loosely related note: One of the most disheartenning onscreen moments I've experienced in recent memory was when through some accident of chance I found myself watching a miserably bad Hollywood thriller called "Taking Lives" with Ethan Hawke and Angelina Jolie. In it, Gena Rowlands plays Hawke's mother, and Hawke, the killer, decapitates her with his bare hands in an ellevator. Its a very gory scene and we see her head actually roll off her shoulders. It would've been comical if it wasn't so tragic. This seems like such an indignity for such a very fine actress to be subjected to when she deserves the same respect and regard as her male acting counterparts, like Brando or John Hurt, or Ian Mckellan, or John Voigt. It seems like actors like Rowlands and Glenda Jackson and Karen Black and Siân Phillips, who should be much more highly regarded, are forced to either retire from acting alltogether, or to take roles that are usually relegated to character actors of limited range, like Thelma Ritter. Nothing against Thelma Ritter. But she's no Gena Rowlands.


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You are absoultely right JA. People seem to misunderstand the nature of the "improvisation" in Cassavetes' movies. Falk, Gazzara, Rowlands, among others, have consistenly said through the years that the movies were in fact scripted, but what John did on set was to create a mood and atmosphere where the naturalism (or stylization) of the dialogue could come through and feel as if it were being made up on the spot. Cassavetes is one of the few directors I can think of who never made a bad movie. All of them, from "Shadows" to "Love Streams" (why wasn't this included on the recent Criterion DVD set!?) are masterpieces. Now can we please get a DVD release for Love Streams?

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I'm with you for the most part part on this, except for when you refer to naturalism as "stylization". Naturalism is the absence of manner. A mannered or stylized performance would be one that exagerates or enhances aspects of behavior in a romanticized way. Shakespeare, for example, requires a more mannered performance, because the language itself is mannered. It is nothing like everyday speech, or even everyday speech of the time. A good parallel in painting would be the manner of El Greco as compared the naturalism of Degas, or to use a more contemporary reference, the naturalism of Lucian Freud.

Realism is an attempt to reproduce what is observed, or what was once observed (in the case of a period or historical film) with accuracy. For example: the combat scenes in Kubrick's Paths of Glory, or Full Metal Jacket; an attempt was made to reproduce, as accurately as possible, in costume and setting, military combat in the 2nd World war and in the Vietnam war respectively. However, the performances in the non-combat scenes in these films were very mannered. This is typical of Hollywood period films in general:setting and costume tend to be highly realistic, while the drama tends to be highly mannered. An example of realism in a very literal sense would be something like Andy Warhol's Sleep, which is a very very long film of a guy sleeping. Is it realism, or documentary? With film this is a tough area, because it's always a record, of some sort, of the observed. It will always be some kind of document, no matter how mannered, unless it's animation. On the other hand, since a human hand is involved in making this record or document, the observer's participation always influences the product--that participation or manipulation is always a part of what's seen.

Naturalism is a suggestion or accent of the observed--there's a little more poetry to naturalism than there is in documentary, but naturalism is an attempt to capture some aspect of the observed through gesture. What I mean by gesture here is pretty broad--gesture through dialogue or body language or setting. Since it's not a documentary--a true documented conversation could last many hours on film--it's a kind of shorthand, analogous to this longer dialogue. You get the essence of this longer conversation, and certain aspects of the interaction are emphasized, but not in a mannered way. Mannerism romanticises the subject. Naturalism attempts to reveal the truth through familiar gestures. Mannerism, impressionism, expressionism, all reveal the truth of their subjects in their own way, but naturalism is an attempt to reveal that truth in a way that is rooted in everyday experience. All of these forms are expressive, but naturalism is expressive without being expressionistic.

I once heard Peter Falk describe how he did not feel that Cassavettes films were naturalistic, and I think that this is because the word has been so frequently misused, and he wanted to make a distinction between what he knew Cassavettes was doing, and how people often misuse the word "naturalism", when really they mean "realism". Cassavettes definately did not make realistic films. His films were not documentaries. They were not reenactments. They were deeply resonant naturalistic depictions of human behavior.

Naturalism in film is one of the most difficult things to define, and though I've done my best here to clarify what I think it is, I'm sure I've done an inadequate job. If anyone has anything to add they're welcome to.

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Great thread and excellent stuff, ja5599.
Just keeping things alive here.

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Movie also says less about a condition than it does about how we treat anyone that's being a bit scattered.

I knew nothing of phenomenology or the antipsychiatry movements @the time I saw this, just after it came out. I don't know whether Cassavettes knew anything of all that, but A Woman Under the Influence, like all his movies, forces its characters to confront, alter, & be altered by the sort of behavior that in commercial flicks would be miraculously stopped & pounded into submission by medical "science."

Cassavettes, to his eternal credit, said no: let's see how the folks that have to live with occasionally objectionable, tho hardly dangerous, conduct work things out. You don't see experts in Cassavettes movies, riding in to tidy things up.

Movie is sort of a dramatization of the Harry Stack Sullivan credo about schizophrenics: when all was said & done, they were simply human.

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The fact that Mabel is the one who gets committed says less about her condition than about the position of women in the society Cassavetes is depicting. There is no sign that her kids or the visiting kids are in any danger - their father freaks out only because Mabel's behaviour falls outside his view of the conventional Italian-American housewife. Nick on the other hand is not considered "crazy" despite physically attacking several people and getting his kids drunk, because men are allowed a lot more freedom.

Clearly Mabel has what you could call a borderline manic personality, but there's no evidence that she is unable to look after herself or her kids. When the family are alone there is no problem, Nick's difficulties arise when Mabel is unable to fit the role assigned to her - notably it is his mother who drives him to have Mabel committed. The "influence" Mabel is under turns out not to be alcohol as we first expect but patriarchy expressed via Nick and society's limiting expectations of women and of people in general.


Ugh. To think his is the kind of nonsensical, illogical garbage feminism disguises as "deep thought". Throwing all common sense in the trash, scapegoating half the population and overpitying the other half. Victim vs oppressor. Black and white with no room for gray. Feminism has been such a vicious assault on human intelligence.

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he fact that Mabel is the one who gets committed says less about her condition than about the position of women in the society Cassavetes is depicting. There is no sign that her kids or the visiting kids are in any danger - their father freaks out only because Mabel's behaviour falls outside his view of the conventional Italian-American housewife. Nick on the other hand is not considered "crazy" despite physically attacking several people and getting his kids drunk, because men are allowed a lot more freedom. However he too is a victim of circumstance.

Nick is wrong or mad, frustrated, angry even dangerous. He tries to force her to be well, with poor results. We can see delicate Mabel trying, she really tries to be the "normal" wife, this is so devastating to watch. What a complex, sad, marvelous film.

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"did you not worry about the kids? That's what kept me tuned in. You just keep wondering, "what's going to happen to the kids, will they be okay?" Maybe that's a cheap way to keep interest, but it worked. "

i never really thought about it that way. i think mabel is a great mother, very tender and loving with her kids. even when she starts to really snap, the kids defend her, in that great, great scene when they try to protect her from nick and the doctor. they sense how fragile she is, however disturbing it can be for a little one to see his mother do or say strange stuff.

i've seen this film about 4 or 5 times, i have to cry *buckets* each and every time. even typing this makes my eyes wet.. ah well, what can i say about cassavetes and his posse that hasnt been said already anyway.

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Gena Rowlands couldn't give a bad performance if she tried and A WOMAN UNDER THE INFLUENCE was one of her best which should have won her the Academy Award that year instead of Ellen Burstyn. who got her Oscar for the wrong film (she should have gotten it for THE EXORCIST or RESSURECTION).

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rowlands did not seem like she was losing her mind. she looked like she was a character from one of those body switching movies, and rowlands switched bodies with her 5 year old, and the 5 year old switched bodies with her. thats really what it felt like. a childish, immature adult acting out and playing games all the time. thats not crazy, thats just juvenile.

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The mental institution kept Mabel for six months. My impression was that she had some kind of behavioral health issue.






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Like Hitchcock said a movie is like life with the boring parts left out, and this movie is like a slice of life with no boring parts. Great film. And the people who made and acted in it don't look like they're out for an Academy award either, just doing their job the best they can.

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It is indeed an incredible film and the acting was brilliant. The fact that Rowlands didn't win the Oscar and Falk was altogether snubbed is still baffling to me.

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