I found some of the scenes quite hot, some others more disgusting. But in the end, I just wonder what the point of this was. Is it just a bunch of stuff that's supposed to disgust the majority of society?
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"I found some of the scenes quite hot, some others more disgusting. But in the end, I just wonder what the point of this was. Is it just a bunch of stuff that's supposed to disgust the majority of society?"
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Exactly! ...and I don't find any acceptable reasoning on why this film was made.
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Typical movies present the cheapest entertainment, cliches, propaganda, advertising, and plain lies. At least this one attempts to be a little original and honest. Life is actually usually disgusting. Stop dreaming
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Huh? Mine isn't.
Do you poop? Do you piss? Do you fart? Do you vomit? Does your dog *beep* Does your cat stink up the house with its warm urine? Does your mom throw her used tampon in the trash or toilet? Does your dad jerk off after leaving a huge log in the same toilet? Do you go outside ever? Do you seem homeless bums who haven't bathed in weaks scratched their butthole and sniffing the fecal matter that's collected under their nails?
...Well, none of that is as disgusting as how people treat each other in life. *cue big dramatic music* Lying, cheating, stealing, manipulative disgusting people who just want to use you until there's nothing left...
Life is disgusting, indeed. Unless you somehow don't do the things a normal human doesn't do and you dont' interact with anyone ever.
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Shuji Terayama forever.
Best comment regarding this movie that I have read in a while! So full of truth.
share2 polysicsarebest But then there are people who also love, help, work hard, fight for justice and battle injustice, clean, respect, admire, protect, thank, think and understand in this life, so I kind of think and feel it is UNFAIR to simply JUST say that "people treat others disgustingly in life and that it is a normal truth".
Because how then do you explain the fact that we have laws and morality and an ability to punish those that do wrong and encourage and greatly praise those that do right?
Like, why don't we agree that all is natural and instead decide to live in a man eat man society with no rules and no boundaries guarding us and enforcing law and order?
Well, polysicsarebest committed suicide last month, so apparently his outlook on this was a bit overwhelming...
Sure, people can be nice to each other. But it is a fine balance! Who gets to define justice, and what sort of work is recognized? What about people who don't want to be protected? Sweet Movie was made behind the "Iron Curtain", in a very authoritarian society. The everyday hypocrisy between "for the good of the people" and exacting compliance with propaganda and force was much easier to see than in many other times and places of the world. Many people define their relationship between self and society based upon some kind of ideology, which I think directly relates to the themes of Sweet Movie - and much of Makavejev's other work. It is easy for an ideologue to fall into the trap of doing the right things for the wrong reasons, or the wrong things for the right reasons, all without realizing it due to their biases. Social order based upon top-down authority structures seems easier and more efficient to implement, but it is mostly based upon fear of punishment and repression. This tends to de-humanize people.
It should be hardly surprising that to people who feel depersonalized, like cogs in a machine, that indulging in free expression with/as one's body can be a liberating, powerful experience. It is a way for people to re-claim their body and sense of self by disregarding convention and taboo at their most primal level. This is often done by experiments in movement, sex, and bodily functions. By de-prioritizing semantically-loaded senses like seeing and hearing, in favor of more immediate, ambiguous ones - such as taste, smell, and touch. This was how the Vienna Actionists worked, and their films were *entirely* focused upon this kind of activity. Makavejev used some of that biological flavor in Sweet Movie, but still strove to make something like a personal narrative. Of course, exhibitionism just inverts repression into an opposite sort of hang-up, but I think accusations of this movie being exhibitionist, exploitative, or shocking for its own sake are missing the point of what the film is about.
It might help to think of Sweet Movie as more of a biographical work than something conventionally plot-based.
2 x1nd - but do you believe that, both theoretically and practically, it is actually POSSIBLE to be truly free or do you believe that human nature by default is always likely to create that hypocritical authoritarian governing machine that will always "de-humanize" people?
I mean, if that is all the case, then do you believe that we humans should all just kill ourselves so that we may ever be truly really free?
The movie was not made (solely) for a shock value. If you followed movie a bit closer than you can remember the names of the 60's and 70's most important leftist philosophers being thrown in the movie, Herbert Marcuse and Sartre, being among them. Makavejev is known to be heavily influenced by the Wilhelm Reich and his theories which involve and mix marxism and Freud's psychoanalysis.
Actually, it is very hard to wholly comprehend the idea of this, otherwise fantastic movie, if one is not acquitted with ideas and theories of above mentioned philosophers. And trust me, it is very layered and deep.
As for shock value, we can only wonder, I have my own opinion, but it doesn't matter on this topic, but certainly it is there to shock and to give a "wake up call" to all of us - people pooping and pissing is less natural and normal, while killing and raping is met with less abhor.
I suggest you to read other topics here (there are some really good that explain a lot) and when doing so, pay attention - people that slammed the movie for being "pointless" are the people who never came in touch with ideas of aforementioned thinkers.
The movie was not made (solely) for a shock value. If you followed movie a bit closer than you can remember the names of the 60's and 70's most important leftist philosophers being thrown in the movie, Herbert Marcuse and Sartre, being among them. Makavejev is known to be heavily influenced by the Wilhelm Reich and his theories which involve and mix marxism and Freud's psychoanalysis.
Actually, it is very hard to wholly comprehend the idea of this, otherwise fantastic movie, if one is not acquitted with ideas and theories of above mentioned philosophers. And trust me, it is very layered and deep.
As for shock value, we can only wonder, I have my own opinion, but it doesn't matter on this topic, but certainly it is there to shock and to give a "wake up call" to all of us - people pooping and pissing is less natural and normal, while killing and raping is met with less abhor.
I suggest you to read other topics here (there are some really good that explain a lot) and when doing so, pay attention - people that slammed the movie for being "pointless" are the people who never came in touch with ideas of aforementioned thinkers.
Why must there be a point to art?
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Applied Science? All science is applied. Eventually.
there was no point to it whatsoever. it was just plain pathetic.
"The earth isn't something we can keep taking from without ever thinking about giving back."
polysicsarebest committed suicide? Are you SERIOUS??
The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!