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Doesn't anyone else see this film as OVERKILL?


I can't think of any other filmmaker who has crammed more gaudiness or trashiness into one film. If the director is trying to make a comment on consumerism, sexuality, religion, etc. in our culture, why do it so heavy-handedly? Most of the people who watch this already know how ridiculous our society has become and that it could get worse. Why would Jodorowsky want to shove our faces in feces, blood, piss, and vomit 100 times? Alright, so his head might have been doused in acid while this was being made, but for people to call it a thought-provoking, avant-garde masterpiece???!! There's nothing masterly about it...everything seems overly contrived, and unfocused....even the acting is terrible.

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Watch it with the directors commentary on if you want some insight into this masterpiece.

Drop acid not bombs.

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Movies are not made to be seen with director comenttary, I guess...

Under the Paving Stones, The Beach

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I can't think of any other filmmaker who has crammed more gaudiness or trashiness into one film.


What about Pasolini's "Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom"? Also quite an interesting, yet revulsive experience.

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I'll state my opinion here. I watched bits and pieces of it in a skateboard shop when a friend of a friend brought it in and played it from his macbook with telnet internet access. He skipped around to different parts saying things like "watch this naked chick bang this robot and they will make a robot baby" and "that midget has no arms!!!" and "check this kid out, he's about to get his balls chopped off" and my favorite "look! they have a machine, and it turns your sh!t into gold! Check out the jesus dude getting high off of the burning feces! Radical!!!!!" I then realized that he was the perfect audience to watch the film. Somebody who sees it for what it is, pointless bullsh!t comedy made by a guy who was tripping on acid throughout 99% of its production, and its purpose was to reveal to everyone the positive and negative (but mostly positive) effects of hallucinogenic drugs. Brilliant filmmaking, truly brilliant filmmaking.

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Jodorowsky didn`t take acid.

Drop acid not bombs.

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Yes he did. He took LSD from a guru shortly before making this film. He states so on the commentary. His intent was to make a film that could be seen as a sacred text. A film that would provide a mystical, life-changing experience for the viewer, without having to take LSD or any type of entheogenic substance.

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I meant on a regular basis. He wasn`t into acid and he has a dig at people like Timothy Leary in The Holy Mountain as you probably know.

Drop acid not bombs.

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I've seen it three times (once with director's commentary), and each time I've taken something different from it. This *is* a thought provoking film. For example, after watching it last night with a friend, I realized how much I had in common with the Thief. In the beginning he's a drunk loser, living a dead end life. By the end, he's cleaned up his act and become a mensch. This is similar to something I went through in my own life. After years of drug abuse, I found my Holy Mountain, so to speak.

As far as the visuals: this is the only film I've ever seen where things are "happening" in every frame. You literally cannot look away without missing something important.

Masterpiece.

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Even if you DO think it is overkill. At least it has more thought in it than the garbage mainstream films that pass for entertainment today.

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Agreed this film came out in 1974. Think about that this is a really progressive film that influenced many directors even today. I think that some more prudish people might consider the sex and nudity to be a extreme but I see it as providing a good commentary on the subject. Additionally I think the sex in this is presented in such a way it's not erotic more so than it is shocking or for the point of showing excess. The violence in the film comments on itself in the scene with the police chief I believe it shows violence in media as something synthesized but compares it to real events, demonstrating the desensitizing effect of violence in media. In particular he has the scene where the sausages fall out of the guy's torso and the scenes where people spit out fruit instead of blood. These scenes are all very relative to the current state of media, we see shows where people get shot and guts fall out this is only sausage mixed with some corn syrup as well as all the blood we see. It demonstrated that people get used to seeing these sorts of things without taking in the real world equivalent. I must say I'm guilty of this entirely I watch horror movies just for the violence and the only reason I like the violence is because I know it nothing more than latex and corn syrup. But at the same time I hear about a grizzly murder and it doesn't phase me as it should.

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>> But at the same time I hear about a grizzly murder and it doesn't phase me as it should. <<

Somebody kills a _bear_ in this movie? Dammit. Bear murder. Might have known it from a libertine Eurotrash piece of work. But it still fazes me. ;-)

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But does it phase you?



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He made what he wanted to. True that it is a series of interwoven metaphors that become hard to follow...But hey it looks like a Salvador Dali painting that came to life. I would also point out that there is a reason this is a cult film and not a wide meant for a wide audience.

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Do you know him? Does he call you at home?

These are my opinions.

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EXACTLY i'm sick of seeing comments here and on youtube by pseudo-intellectuals who think there's some deep meaning in this film.

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''EXACTLY i'm sick of seeing comments here and on youtube by pseudo-intellectuals who think there's some deep meaning in this film.''

More people here are just blathering on about how the film is just surreal and has no deep meanings, which is, frankly, a load of nonsense. Surrealism as an art form usually does mean something - maybe not every scene, but as a whole, yes - and so it the case with 'The Holy Mountain'. You have to be a little blind to not see how the part about the war toys does mean something... likewise most of the film has some obvious meanings.



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every scene imo has a deeper meaning, maybe not to us but the director. most of the ideas in the movie are amazing and are represented in a picturesque way (u can for instance pause a scene a make a picture out of it). the scenes are full of irony and satire and sometimes show horrible things in a childish bizzare way. the ending is one of the best endings i have seen in my life. and the message its sends is amazing. this movie is not overrated but underrated. and if it doesnt have a deeper meaning its an unique film and has to be respected just for that. sorry for the poor english

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i love your comment :) i keep on reading it, laughing all the time. and i think youre right. Jodorowsky is very talented, but this movie is very hard to understand for the average viewer.

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You cannot smash down a wall with pin pricks.

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"I can't think of any other filmmaker who has crammed more gaudiness or trashiness into one film"

You haven't seen Caligula have you?

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look really un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

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You haven't seen Caligula have you?


Oh. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Yes, this film is overkill, and that is the point. The Holy Mountain is often misconstrued as a product of its time and viewed as a new age relic. However, THM is actually an absurd and deeply CYNICAL SATIRE of new age hippie wisdom, and it predicted the rampant materialism and excess of the following decades. So these binary ?art/not art?, ?deep/shallow? arguments I see here are missing the point entirely. That being said, how much more obvious could it be? I fail to see how this film is enigmatic, I mean, a Christ production factory? Astrological represenatives each being more entrenched in corrupt business/politics than the next? The big punchline at the end points the finger at the audience for ever thinking a film could act as spiritual guide. It's all very straight forward for anyone at all familiar with REAL DEAL avant garde filmmaking (see: Luis Bunuel, Man Ray, Maya Deren, Kenneth Anger, plus tons more). Jodorowsky was the beginning of pop surrealism (feature length films, with comparatively big budgets and wide distribution, that blend surrealism with conventional narrative structure) which would eventually culminate in the works of mainstream directors like David Lynch, Terry Gilliam and David Cronenberg.

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@haletim - you summed this up PERFECTLY. I thought better of our jaded 'seen it all' culture to be so fooled that the ending would even come as a surprise in this day in age.

Here's another thing. If you watched this movie, hated it, and posted here; it had an effect on you. Suck it up and watch the movies that draw within your lines.

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Ha, you make a good point. I never thought of that myself. Especially when I go back to that last scene now, where the Alchemist is to explain the supposed secret to immortality and enlightenment, and then directs the attention towards the cameras that are panned on them. Not only an interesting turn in terms of directing, but, as I understand it, very satirical in the manner in which you explained it.

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I never saw "The Holy Mountain" as being a "message film". Jodorowsky had his moral convictions, sure, but those seem irreverent to the film.

To answer your question, YES, it most certainly is overkill. That's why I love it. It's a no holds barred, freewheeling, psychedelic experience. It's an uncontrolled explosion of visual and narrative creativity. It's rollercoaster ride through the smoke and funhouse mirrors of Jodorowsky's mind. It's a miracle that the film has any form whatsoever.

"Not fare well, but fare forward, voyagers."

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"I never saw "The Holy Mountain" as being a "message film". Jodorowsky had his moral convictions, sure, but those seem irreverent to the film."

Like you said, maybe it's not a "message film", but most of its viewers seem to think so. I guess everyone tries to interpret what they see and I guess I got caught up in all the comments thinking that maybe, just maybe, there might be a message in it. Or, it could just be another case of 'people seeing an image of the virgin mary on their grilled cheese sandwich and refusing to eat it because it must be sacred'.... ;)


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Sometimes I like movies to be lost in. This fits.

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Very true, couldn't have said it any better.

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It is overkill in the truest sense of the word. What I find odd is that Jodorowsky is actually a really smart guy and very involved with treating past trauma in people with psychological wounds. To me this entire movie is incredibly traumatic, especially if watched in the state of mind that he intended.

I know, I know, it's supposed to be "critique of modern religion" and the is meant to break down societal molds etc......Call me crazy but I'm not sure how blowing up frogs and smoking poop while watching a midgit with no arms or legs bang around in an alley is supposed to help society. To me it's comparable to the same nonsense that John Waters puts out - shock and gross people out enough and they'll pay attention to you. Not my cup of tea.

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I agree with both you and HailTim in both regards. While Holy Mountain provides satirical insight into material possesion and obsession with greed, it does so in a truly excessive way that the first half of the film is extremely hard to watch.

The second half however is a little more straight forward and typical to the sci-fi genre in that the story is a little more linear and space-y. I can see what you mean though, it is pretty brutal and watching it as he directed it wouldnt be an insightul experience at all - it would result in a really bad trip!

It is what it is - A surreal 2 hour long freak show.

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Totally agree. These "cultural" films of the 70's are nothing but a long boring depiction of naked emperor.

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emmi...Obviously this film's depth, imagery and powerful symbolism is simply too overwhelming for you. And since you seem about as deep as a wet plate, just stay close to mainstream Hollywood style productions that will amuse and entertain your discerning little mind. Leave artistic cinema to those with a modicum of higher brain function. There must be a lot of "Chick flicks" out there you would like.

"..Combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead!"

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lol you emperors new clothes loser.

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Haha, oh wow, sure you pretentious airhead, continue watching two hours of boring drivel to soak up all the powerful symbolism, whatever keeps your ego fed, pseudo intellectual.

You can enjoy the depth of human *beep* in a jar and the rest of us lesser minds can watch actual films.

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