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Biggest idiot in this film


Well I could go for the guy who made the bald-faced claim that Asians don't respect life the same way that "we" do ... or the businessman making a stupid joke about breasts...but I think I'll vote for the loser that was getting his rocks off in bed pawing one of the local world-weary hookers and then laughed "if my girl back home could see this, she'd flip".

Hey guy: the big thing that the director keeps pointing at you is a c-a-m-e-r-a. Hopefully when your kids saw this movie it wasn't with their classmates in high school.

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"Hopefully when your kids saw this movie it wasn't with their classmates in high school."

LOL

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Sgt. Coker and General Westmoreland are prime examples of why there are press liaisons and formal press secretaries. I'm amazed Westmoreland was so blunt and racist. Its not hard to connect the dots to see why there was so much useless killing when people like that are put in positions of tremendous power.

Westmoreland has to be the winner here. Coker is the result of guys like Westmoreland trying to brainwash soldiers into believing their "cause". Without people like the general Coker doesn't have those maligned beliefs.

Westmoreland ruined the legacy of his previously decorated military career in 20 seconds of ill-advised speech.

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It was a war. In war life is cheap, everything is just hanging by a thread. Anything you do could be the last you did, you have to live like that. And when you live like that you dont care at all, anything goes. Its easy to point a camera at a woman with a gun to her head and say "look, violation of human rights" or whatever. But when in fact theres a gun to everyones head, all the time.

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I'm sorry, but what are you replying to, exactly?

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"War war is stupid
And people are stupid
And love means nothing
In some strange quarters
" ~ Culture Club 1984

Great movie.

"This is your Brain. This is your Brain on drugs. Any questions?"

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replying to top poster.

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We weren't allowed to watch that scene in my high school class, although we were allowed to watch the blood and gore. What was the significance of the scene? Why would the director add it in?


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Richard Nixon?

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biggest idiot, by far...

, is the soldier receiting to the elder women that it is in fact the mums that teach all soldiers to fullfill their duty in killing *beep*

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Well I could go for the guy who made the bald-faced claim that Asians don't respect life the same way that "we" do ...
The greatest irony being that he was trying to point out how the Vietnamese could individually be sacrificed (or sacrifice themselves) for their cause-- when that is pretty much the same thing the US, or any, military does.

But yeah, trying to take the moral high-ground is one of the first games that gets played in war-- as a front for the "us-vs-them" or "alienation/dehumanization-of-the-other" propaganda. Cos the US military learnt from WW2 that many soldiers had trouble shooting a fellow human.


"I don't go to movies to escape reality: I go to experience life in a raw, intense way"-- S. Copley

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Coker's claim that Vietnam would be a beautiful country if it were not for the people was a sad statement. However, I agree he probably wouldn't have said that it it wasn't for the military education the man had.

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Westmoreland for the win. It's absolutely disgusting, even thirty-five+ years later, to listen to that man make his pronunciations about "the orientals" not valuing life, and that "their" philosophy supposedly supports the idea. Shows precisely the kind of American ignorance and racism that keeps fuelling these conflicts beyond all reason. What's sadder still is that many westerners continue to harbor these disgusting views of "the other" even today.

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American whites are still so racist and paranoid about anything. Just look at what is happening in Arizona or the whole war on terror farce, to say nothing of the racist abuse directed at President Obama. Most American whites are used to being at the top of the food chain and the fact that this paradigm is now under threat is causing them much consternation. It will get ugly....

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The really infuriating thing about hearing Westmoreland say that is that I had a high school teacher give a nearly identical speech to the class, and this was no more than two years ago. The reasoning she gave was that they believed in reincarnation, so therefore death just means starting over again, which is total nonsense; it's like saying that Christians wouldn't value life because they'll just end in an eternal paradise.

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the guy that said "god cares" what a pile of crap

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LBJ, Nixon, and Westmoreland. I can forgive Coker because he is a product of the brainwashing that the US Military uses on its soldiers. The others were leaders.

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Actually, Coker was tortured as a prisoner of war for almost 7 years (something that the film never mentions) so I can forgive most of his statements just for that reason.

This film was good at doing what it was trying to do, but I don't think anyone would say it was balanced.

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Actually, Coker was tortured as a prisoner of war for almost 7 years (something that the film never mentions) so I can forgive most of his statements just for that reason.

This film was good at doing what it was trying to do, but I don't think anyone would say it was balanced.


So you're saying that Coker doesn't believe that the Vietnamese value life because they didn't value HIS life?

I'm sure Coker said what he believed, but I don't think anyone would say HE was balanced...


If you care enough to go around telling people you don't care... you obviously care.

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So you're saying that Coker doesn't believe that the Vietnamese value life because they didn't value HIS life?

I'm sure Coker said what he believed, but I don't think anyone would say HE was balanced...


I'm saying that people shouldn't be so quick to jump on the things he said back then, because they can all be explained away by being tortured for 7 years.

Obviously most people wouldn't be too balanced or completely sane after something like that and they wouldn't be too fond of the Vietnamese people as a whole.

And I think it was Westmoreland who said the Vietnamese didn't value life; maybe Coker did too but I don't remember it all right now.

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Actually, Coker was tortured as a prisoner of war for almost 7 years (something that the film never mentions) so I can forgive most of his statements just for that reason.
I see. So if a black guy ever wrongs me in some way, it's then ok for me to go around calling black people "n!ggers"? Dumping sh!t on an entire race of people because of some unpleasant experience with someone of their race? That's now excusable?

Anyway, maybe Coker should think about the fact that the reason he had such a bad experience with the Vietnamese was because he was there invading and bombing their country. He attacked them. So, what, the Vietnamese were supposed to treat him like a movie star while the imperialist military machine he served continued to bomb their country and their people halfway to hell? In effect, he threw the first punch at them, they punched him back, and so then it's ok for him to call them "g**ks" and other racist things and belittle them as "primitive people", right? They were "primitive" because they fought against invaders who were occupying their land, but he wasn't "primitive" for attacking their country and being part of a military invasion that killed 3 million of their people.

Besides, the racism toward the Vietnamese was endemic in the US military long before Coker became a POW. Racism toward Asians in general was prevalent. The military indoctrinated its soldiers to hate, not only to hate the armed forces they were fighting but to hate the entire people. They hated the Japanese, they hated the Koreans, they hated the Chinese, they hated the Vietnamese. Now today the focus of racism in the US military is Arabs and other Muslim-majority peoples. The military indoctrinates its soldiers to hate Muslims now. Now instead of "g**ks" and "slant-eyes", it's "ragheads" and "sandn!ggers". The first thing an imperialist force does to turn its soldiers into mindless remorse-free killing machines is to indoctrinate them to think of their "enemy" as subhuman, worthless, some inferior creature. Like one of the Vietnamese interviewees said at one point in the film, the American soldiers saw the Vietnamese as flies. With a fly, you swat it and you don't think of it anymore, it was nothing, a worthless creature. That's how the US military saw the Vietnamese, that's how they see the Afghans, that's how they always see the people of the countries they attack. They're trained to hate.

I guarantee you that Coker hated the Vietnamese long before he became a POW. He had to hate them, to drop bombs on them and slaughter them by the hundreds without a hint of remorse, without a second thought. He had to see their lives as worthless. How many Vietnamese did he kill before he became a POW, I wonder? He was the one bombing their people, HE attacked THEM, he was the invader, the imperialist, so they were the ones with the right to hate him, not the other way around. And they hated him for what he DID, not for his race, unlike the other way around. If he didn't want to be a POW, he shouldn't have served in Uncle Sam's monstrous killing machine.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
- Goethe

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I understand what you are saying but for the ways Americans train their soldiers is the same way others train soldiers in foreign countries. Any time there is a country at war with another country soldiers on both sides are going to be trained to hate their enemy. There is no love in war. There is only hate mixed with anger. That’s why soldiers do what they do and some more. The enemy is not going to have any love for you, if they are in your shoes, they would be prepared to kill the enemy.

I am not trying to condone the atrocities American soldiers have done in Vietnam. Atrocities are going to happen in every war. I am simply explaining the reason why the US military train the soldiers to hate the enemy. The racist slurs do have a negative impact based on a psychological point of view but war but that’s just war in general.


God has a hard on for marines because we kill everything we see. He plays his game, we play ours.

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So basically, if the other side does it (indoctrination to hate and consider the enemy as subhuman), it's ok for you to do it too? The Nazis said something similar about the Jews being subhuman, then they built death camps.

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No it's not okay but it does happen in war. That why you have to have a set of rules when it comes to war. You also have to be very discipline in order for you to not let your anger take control of you. We are all human beings and we all have a dark side rather you believe it or not. War can turn men into beast but its up to men to control the beast by not letting their anger take control over them.

God has a hard on for marines because we kill everything we see. He plays his game, we play ours.

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He was doing his job helping the Americans stop.Communist aggression POWs are entitled to decent treatment.

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No love for Walt Rostow?

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