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Would Vito have killed Fredo?


Do you think he would have agreed with Michael?

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Heck no!

Family was everything to Vito (since he'd lost his when he was just a boy), theirs no way he'd harm his children, not in a million years, he couldn't even bring himself to put an end to Carlo because he didn't want to hurt his daughter!

At worst he'd banish Fredo, but then again Fredo would never betray his father anyway.

As far as agreeing with Michael, I'd think he would heartbroken to see what happened to his son (both his sons) and he'd probably blame himself more then them. He never wanted Michael to get into the family businesses in the first place, and its a good thing he didn't live long enough to see what happened to Michael in the end.

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Your assessment lines up exactly with my own.

So we must both be wrong.

- Crazy. All crazy but I'm.

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Depends what you mean.

If VIto had been betrayed by a brother as Michael was, yes.


If Vito was around to see Michael be betrayed by Vito's other son, no. Vito would have come up with a Solomon like solution.


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No

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Vito tells Johnny Fontaine not to become a man who cries like a woman because its weak and ridiculous, Fredo was that way and Vito didnt see Fredo cry like a woman after he was shot, and Fredo was slapped around by Moe Greene like a woman too, and Fredo complained and whined about his job and role in the family like a woman would do when he was supposed to accept it and do his job, in The Godfather novelization Vito tells Michael that Fredo had become a lackey of women because of the way that he acted, and he was angry with Fredo for being a degenerate and getting slapped around by Moe Greene too, he really looked down on his own son and didnt want him to visit home when Tom Hagen asked him if Fredo should visit because he said his wife could cook for him if he needed it.

So Vito held Fredo in no more esteem at all anymore, he was weak and he was stupid, he was being slapped around like a woman by Moe, Fredo lost most of his fathers respect, so based on the book itself i think that Vito would approve of Fredo being killed after his outburst at Michael in the boathouse, because he basically admitted to helping Hyman Roth and lying about the senate lawyer working for Roth until the very end of the conversation, he never apologized to Michael or tried to make things right, he just yelled and got angry, he was a jerk.

Vito would have been angry at Fredo not accepting his authority that Michael was now the Don and for betraying his own brother and not showing remorse over it, Vito would have approved, Fredo would just betray Michael again.

Just imagine if Fredo was ever arrested while working for his father, he might be weak and agree to flip or rat Don Corleone out to save himself a prison sentence, or Sonny, Fredo was that spineless, so he would threaten anyone if he was cornered.

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...in The Godfather novelization...

The Godfather was a novel, not a novelization.

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Would Vito have killed Fredo?


No. But then, Fredo would never have betrayed his father.

Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown.

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Never. I believe part of the point of the film(s) are the different men Vito and Michael are. In many ways, they are the opposites of each other leading inversely parallel lives, and thus the film runs in several opposite and parallel directions/metaphors.

One of which is Vito steadily increases and solidifies his family and it's bonds, while Michael steadily decreases and degrades his.

Vito rises to prestige from nothing, while Michael essentially falls from prestige to nothing.

Vito was loved. Michael is hated.

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You nailed it. Vito would never kill his own son. He would deal with him in another way. He would never hurt his wife like that. Even if his wife died. In many ways Michael was colder and more cruel than Vito. Which is ironic since in the beginning of the first movie he tells Kay that life is not him. And in the end he destroys everyone including himself.

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Good post, Coppola has said in interviews that what you've outlined is what he wanted to show.

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