Do you include Part III in the saga?
Or do you prefer to think that the story ends with Part II?
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Part III? What part III?
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MovieChat Forums > The Godfather Part II (1974) Discussion > Do you include Part III in the saga?
This isn;t some "Terminator 2" fan-boy movie where they ended their wet dream at the end of Part II when the little fan-boys lose their pet-Termy! Good lord!
Of course i include Part III in the saga. It's very integral to the story. There's no denying that Part III is not as well crafted as the first two films, but it is a film good enough to be a "Godfather" and there is reasonable closure and exposure within. It also completes the corruption circle these movies were conveying about the "legitimate world", that there is corruption in Family and authority (part I), corruption in business and politics (part II) and corruption in religion (part III).
Without Part III, the message is incomplete.
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I think the question is valid. There are lots of people who just hate III. In my case, I consider it to be a good movie, enjoyable and all, but it's obviously out of tune in comparison with the previous two and ruins an excelent saga a bit. But yes, it belongs to the saga, like it or not. No need to mock Terminator fans.
I like to poke Terminator fans with a sharp stick when they plug their ears and go "la la la" with regards to "Terminator 3", pretending that Terminator 2 is the end-all, be-all of Terminator movies. Nothing personal. It's strictly business.
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all of the later Terminator movies are horrible, why are you trying to be so cute and 'unique' by acting as if it's unusual at all for fans of a series to virtually ignore the rest of a series when it turns out terribly?
Terminator 2 is one of the best action movies of all time. it would be like you talking crap about "Alien" fans who love the first two films and ignore the last 2- again, they have a logical point because the quality dips tremendously
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Do you include Part III in the saga?Yes, I do.
I thought Part III was a very good film, just not near the (unbelievable) quality of the first two films.
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I think a lot of people consider it "cool" to treat Part III as an embarrassment.
No doubt, it does not match the level of the first two movies. Not debating that. But, it wasn't meant to.
Originally, the title was supposed to be "The Death of Michael Corleone". It was supposed to be a sort of epilogue to the saga, not an equal part. In that, it was good. Not perfect, but good.
Treat Part III as an epilogue and I think it becomes a better film.
Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. -Michael Corleone
I think those who genuinely don't like it don't absolutely hate it. I think the problem with part 3 is that it seems like a self-parody. Some of the scenes feel ridiculous. It takes what was dramatically great about the first two, but somehow it makes it into a joke, probably unintentionally. I mean, the whole trilogy is so serious and dramatic, it borderlines a spoof of itself. But the first two were so perfect in keeping it professionally serious, it works.
I think people also don't like how much Michael has changed in part three, but that was the point. It was to show how the life is ultimately empty of anything but violence and regret. Nothing is sacred in that world. Michael committed terrible acts, he must suffer, no matter what circumstances. he tries to redeem himself, but there is no redemption. He has lost his family and his soul because of what he has done.
I like part three very much, and I think you have a good point to think of it as an epilogue. I think if it didn't have the name "the Godfather part 3," people wouldn't hate it as much. I think those that blame Sofia shouldn't focus too much on her, because that small role shouldn't ruin the whole movie. It has become a thing to hate it, and it's not really fair. It's definitely not an awful movie, but it's not great.
I won't make any excuses for Sofia Coppola's acting- it was pretty bad. But, she wasn't really meant to be an actress in the first place, she was pretty much an 11th hour replacement.
Sofia Coppola has since proven herself a very capable director in her own right-- some would even argue she's a better director than her dad.
But just think of GF III as "The Death of Michael Corleone", an epilogue to the events of the first two films. It's much easier to appreciate that way. Michael isn't the same ruthless, cunning character he was in those two films. He wouldn't be. When GF III starts, he'd already lost two women he'd loved directly or indirectly due to his involvement in the underworld. He had ordered the death of his own brother, who he loved.
Michael wants to atone for the horrific things he's done with his life. But he finds the higher up he goes, the more crooked things are. He's a man who cannot escape his past no matter how earnestly he really wants to. It's tragic.
Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. -Michael Corleone
I agree completely, but sadly some refuse to see it that way. Which is ok, I like it.
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That's how I've always seen it. Parts I and II are one big movie, Part III is a separate movie. It wasn't even produced in the same era of film making, so it's got a pretty different feel to it. share
I don't include Part III, except perhaps the very last scene. The rest of the story desperately needed rewrites. So many opportunities wasted or dropped. And completely lacking the subtlety of the previous films. When a movie is that broken, fans are entitled to put it aside. Canon is a fictional concept.
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I couldn't have said this any better myself. I agree completely. The only thing I'm fuzzy on is your last sentence. Canon can be important, like in the case of those Predator movies not written by the brothers who wrote the first two. Canon only becomes up-for-grabs when a damn-good writer or director is able to masterfully add to the original artist's material (like Cameron did).
The Godfather III feels like a cheap gangster thriller. The first two films were patient dramas. Impeccable dramas. Like you, I only appreciate that final scene.
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Movie really didn't have any inspiration. The first two movies were actually in the novel. Felt rushed for the paycheck. I heard Mario Puzo was hurting financially prior to this film.
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