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Thoughts about New York City


Do you think New York was more or less safe in 1970s? Do you ever fear for your safety living in New York?

I visited the city twice in my life and each time I found the it very intimidating. If I were ever left alone to live there and something bad happened to me, I was sure no one would lift a finger to help. Even the police would not be comforting. Most of the people act hostile, even there is no reason to do so, I guess. Sure many people I know talk about all the opportunities you find there and how it is like the capital of the whole world, but I find that world very chaotic.

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Hi e_ailberg,

I know what you mean. I briefly entered New York City only once in my life and I felt very uncomfortable. And yet there are zillions of people who absolutely love life in, "The City", as they affectionately call it. I can understand this sentiment if you are born and raised in one of the five boroughs. There are still zillions of people who've spent some years living and working in New York City and loved it. But I wouldn't want to live in New York City myself. It's just too dense a concrete jungle for me.

You'll find this interesting. Investigate the history of New York City and you'll be amazed that supposedly the city became safer over the centuries and through the 20th century. New York City was extremely dangerous in the 1800s when vast numbers of organized street gangs ruled entire neighborhoods. Muggings, beatings, assaults, murders, you name it...was daily life in old New York City. You took your life into your own hands by walking the streets in the old city.

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As a "Hardcore New Yorker" which in my definition means, Born, Raised, And Lived most of my life there, the boro of Queens. Without New York, the Entire World would collapse. "When New York sneezes, the Whole World catches cold" New York means prosperity, people walking around, spending money, with things to do, places to visit, sights to see. Prosperity, not closing up the sidewalks up at 7 o'clock in the evening. I've lived in the best, and biggest, and I've also made the mistake of checking out the smaller areas, where there's no supermarkets, very little to do, just boredom. See N.Y. offers up chances, options, and ideas. That's something that you cannot find in the 'sticks', the 'boonies', 'prairieland'. You felt 'uncomfortable', Why? You came to New York with a small city mindset. There's one thing though, Any dirtfarmer, hillbilly, *beep* can come into New York and carve a life for themselves without the natives making life difficult. We accept the hillbilly as our own, 'copy' his accent, but generally like the fellow, You'll never see a hardened New Yorker ever accepted in the Hillbilly states, the Southern States. It will not happen, so much for closemindedness!

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As a "Hardcore New Yorker" which in my definition means, Born, Raised, And Lived most of my life there, the boro of Queens.

I'm from hillbilly North Carolina and even I know it's spelled B-O-R-O-U-G-H, Mr. Hardcore New Yorker!

LOL! Good times.

GQ

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"Boro" is completely acceptable

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As in Queensboro Plaza where I spent too many cold winter nights waiting for the 7 train.

I've lived in NYC since the 1970s and I recall walking everywhere, day and night, back then. Maybe when you're young you feel invincible, but I never thought of any danger when I was out in the city. Sure, the crime rate was higher than it is today but also tabloids like the Daily News exaggerated things. You can't live in a cave.

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I recommend a book by Lenore Skenazy called "Free-Range Kids". She is a mother who lives in NYC and she let her kids ride the subway to school and back by themselves for several years and guess what? They have never been harmed.
The media is a huge lie. They use fear to control you and to profit by.

"Why does this HULK action figure smell like crap? What have you been doing all day?"

- Up The Avengers

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More crimes occur in the south and small towns now because NYC is heavily monitored by police, thanks to that inside job known as 9/11.

"Why does this HULK action figure smell like crap? What have you been doing all day?"

- Up The Avengers

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More like because Rudy Giuliani did a major clean-up job of the city. And that "inside job" line about 9/11 was pure crap!

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it's definatley spelt boro up here. . .

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Without New York, the Entire World would collapse.


Apparently you know nothing about the world.

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I disagree the world could survive just fine without New York and the like hogging all the wealth.
The same can be said about my capital City London….sheer greed and corruption.

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I disagree the world could survive just fine without New York and the like hogging all the wealth.
The same can be said about my capital City London….sheer greed and corruption.

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I've never visited the states before, but when I do, New York probably won't be my first choice. Now, I don't say I'll NEVER go there, but it doesn't seem like a place you feel welcome in.

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Are you kidding? It's probably the place you'll feel most welcome and that you'll most enjoy.

New York is awesome, and filled with people from all over the globe. I bet I've heard 20 different languages spoken in the subway in the past year.

And as far as saftey, it's one of the safest big cities in the world. A dramatic change from the '70s when Death Wish capitalized on fears of saftey in the city.

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Here's a interesting statistic and op piece from the NY Daily News....

Dec 30,2009


The five boroughs are on track this year to have the fewest murders since 1963, when modern recordkeeping began.

As of Sunday, there were 461 reported homicides - 11% fewer than last year. That's an astonishingly low number: 461 in a city of more than 8 million people. And it's all the more stunning when you consider that in 1990, the city suffered 2,245 killings.

That same year, there were 100,000 robberies and 122,000 burglaries and nearly 150,000 stolen cars. Drivers clamped huge metal bars on their steering wheels and took their car radios with them. Still, they would return to find shattered glass where their cars had been.

Thanks to the NYPD, that New York is no more. Instead of six murders a day, as there were in 1990, this year we had one week in February and one in March when there were none. Zero.

Random, lethal acts of violence - perhaps a citizen's greatest fear - have been tamed to the point that just one-third of this year's 461 victims were slain by strangers.

Overall, major crime declined 11% compared with 2008 and has dropped a whopping 35% since 2001. In six of the seven major categories - murder, rape, robbery, burglary, car theft and grand larceny - crime was down this year. The exception, felony assault, rose just 2%.

Through smart policing, detailed statistical analysis of crime patterns, targeted enforcement against illegal guns, and stop-and-question - and, yes, frisk - operations, the NYPD has transformed New York from crime capital of the country to safest big city in the nation. And the department did it with 6,000 fewer cops than it had in 2001.

Commissioner Ray Kelly and his officers deserve tremendous credit. But their remarkable success hides the inevitable fact that if you are constantly forced to do more and more with less and less, eventually you'll have nothing left to work with.

Every proposed budget cut, suggested reduction in staffing and overzealous campaign to trim aggressive policing threatens to undermine the NYPD's astonishing progress in public safety.

That must not happen. The Police Department must not be taken for granted. And it must not be hindered in any way. New York must never return to the bloody bad old days.

Happy New Year to everyone in the NYPD. They deserve it.



Times have changed certainly for the better from the bygone days of the "Death Wish" era.

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New York is one of the safest cities. Just like the post above pointed out. Of course there are bad neighborhoods like any city, but even many of those have dramatically improved int he last 10-15 years. Thinking that New York today is anything like in Death Wish is silly.

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Violent crimes were factually higher in the 70's and millions of people visit NYC on New Years Eve every year. They don't appear to be worried about crime either, maybe because cops are all over the place? Could be.
I love NYC also, even though I've never been there. I just love the history behind it.
Yes, Death Wish was just made to draw in customers at the box office, as with many other crime movies, then and now. Even though crime was higher in the 70's, it was still never as high as portrayed in theaters or on TV.
Hollywood is nowhere close to reality.

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The original post asks about NY in the 1970's when the film was made. That was a very different time then now. The city was practically bankrupt and city services were poor. Crime was rampant, the city filthy, graffiti ridden. Although not pleasant for the people living there some great movies made at that time capture the grittiness, and films like The French Connection, Marathon Man, Ft. Apache the Bronx, etc are fun to watch today to see what it was like. Having lived there in the early 80's and never mugged anywhere else but NY, it was pretty crappy back then.

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Born and raised in the Bronx, I don't find NYC that intimidating. However, I still don't like to go out at certain times of night around my area. Honestly, people can smell fear no matter where they are from or where they are, and you have to be vigilant. I always find those stories like sootsoo to be very odd. Don't act like a tourist or a victim and for the most part people won't even notice you. As for the 70s...they were extremely dangerous, not like today at all. And GradyQ, there is nothing wrong with boro as shorthand, who wants to write that out all the time, especially since it is so easy to misspell.

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I think the murder rate and violent crime rate says it all 466 murders last year in all five broughs compared to what 1500 in the 70s maybe more 2245 in 1990.

And had 9/11 never happened and the nypd not assigned 1000 police officers to anti terror detail forever more than the murder rates and violent crime rates would be even lower because those 1000 cops would be in brooklyn and the bronx

Manhattan from the TV Manhattan from Sex and the City, Gossip Girl whatever is the safest place in the world. From West 116th to Ground Zero Staten Island ferry is the safest area in the world. 16 murders last year not one them like u see in death wish family followed home raped killed doesnt happen EVER

I feel safer walking round new york than I do back home in England am a brit btw

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NYC is significantly safer today than it was in the 70's (as are most big cities). Crime rose nearly exponentially from the late 60's into the early 90's and then nose dived by the mid-1990's.

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NY is a dump. I didn't feel particularly unsafe on the 2 times I visited, but the people are incredibly rude and aggressive. It's almost comical how obnoxious some of these people are, it felt like a Caught on Camera prank. And this is from someone who lives in London!

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Do you think New York was more or less safe in 1970s? Do you ever fear for your safety living in New York?

New York was a much, much rougher place in the 1970s than it is now. This is true of nearly all cities back in the 1970s with the possible exception of the fairly new "sun belt" cities like Phoenix and Las Vegas which were practically small towns back then compared to what they are today. The portrayal of Tucson in this movie as an Old West cowboy town is hilarious compared to the Tucson of today.

Clearly this movie is an exaggeration of the condition of New York back then. It made it look like people got mugged everywhere, all the time, no matter where they went; and as bad as NYC was, it never got that bad. But urban movies of that era, such as this one and Taxi Driver, that depicted urban life as a grim existence were a reflection of people's fears and attitudes of the day. By the mid 1970s urban centers had seen two straight decades of declining civil order and skyrocketing crime, and there appeared to be no end in sight. And in fact it took another 15 to 20 years before urban centers finally started turning things around.

The New York of today is nothing like the New York of the 1970s and bears virtually no resemblance to the New York portrayed in many 1970s and 1980s movies. Today it is much safer, much cleaner, much more civil, and much more expensive. Some of New York's falling crime rate can be attributed to simply pricing the criminal element out of town; even a Harlem brownstone has a seven-figure price tag these days. Today's New York, especially Manhattan, is a theme park compared to the New York of the 70s.

As for fearing for one's safety living in New York: I live in Chicago, which has a substantially higher crime rate than New York, and yet I still don't fear for my safety. In order to stay safe I have to take certain precautions such as I don't ride the train by myself at 3AM or casually hang out in crappy neighborhoods. But I don't experience or even fear crime in my day-to-day life.

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I've lived in NYC for 24 years now. I've often ridden the subways at the wee hours of the morning. And I've walked through "bad neighborhoods" late at night, many times. by myself. And I've walked the streets of Manhattan at 3 AM many times, and I've wandered Central Park by myself, at 3 AM.

And yet in 24 years here, I've never been the victim of a crime.

And I've only witnessed a crime twice.

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Well good for you I suppose. But luck and oblivion aren't the same thing as safety.

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Nor is living in constant fear of crime.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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There's a difference between exercising reasonable caution and living in constant fear of crime.

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I've been to NYC 2 times and it's one of my favourite cities. My city of choice is Lisbon, Portugal... but NYC would be probably be my 2nd or 3rd choice to live. I've always felt safe in NY, and the people are super friendly. What's depicted in the movies from 30 years ago is nothing like the New York City of today. I honestly would probably feel more welcome in NY than I would somewhere in the southern United States. I've never been there but I know people who have and were treated rudely there just because they were outsiders, case in point, Alabama. This never happened to me in New York. I find them extremely open minded, it's almost like being in a European capital.

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New York City is one of the safest cities in the USA in 2011. NYC has the largest police force in the world now. Ex-mayor Rudy Guliani had alot to do with cleaning up the in the mid to late 90's.

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