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Gittes is stupid and a coward


he has a slight suspiscion of evelyn so he instantly runs and calls the cops without giving her a chance to explain, than proceeds to hit her incessently until he realizes shes the good one, than he inexplicably calls cross to a rendzevous without any backup, whos an evil rapist with lots of muscle than the second hes threatened a little bit he leads the bad guys right to his daughters so he could could go back to raping them, than he lets the bad guy walk off with his daughter so he could rape her ever after cause "hey its chinatown"
Huh? how is this guy a private detective?

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Jake Gittes is a terrible detective with good intentions.

His most consequential trait is misreading evidence and clues, which he does throughout the film and not just in the last half. His is witty and clever in solely insignificant and inconsequential matters.

He meets with Cross at the end because he wanted to confront the culprit, something he's wanted to do since near the beginning of the film; just like any noir detective would except that in Chinatown, it's actually another blunder in a chain of resultant errors that Gittes makes since his lunchtime meeting with Noah Cross.

(However any action he may have taken following Cross' taking of his daughter/granddaughter would have resulted in his arrest since he was already a suspect of numerous crimes and nobody would believe what he has to say especially since he previously mislead the police to a dead end. Plus he was genuinely shocked at what happened)

Yet, all of this is intrinsic to the narrative of the film, as his last words of the film demonstrate.

On one hand, Chinatown is in the tradition film noir, featuring a detective who repeats a past mistake.

On the other hand, Chinatown is a deconstruction of the film noir detective since Gittes' mistake is the strongest and most notable attribute of the classic film noir detective.

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Good reply. Could you just give me some examples of early mistakes? Thanks.

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It's probably better for one to uncover these details by re watching the film but a dominant theme of the film is misunderstanding.

So in reality, his misunderstanding begins when he takes pictures of Hollis Mulwray and a girl but a very explicit instance is Gittes' first visit to Evelyn's house in the backyard where he completely misread a clue due to his racist tendencies.

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Could you just give me some examples of early mistakes?


One of the most telling indictments of Gittes character in the first quarter of the film comes when he carefully shoos his female secretary out of the room so he can tell the "chinaman" joke to just the boys but fails to realise that Evelyn is standing behind him listening the whole time. Gittes is a detective whose job on a very basic level is to look at and see things. One of the repeated motifs of the film is examples of flawed vision; the broken spectacles, the flaw in Evelyn's eye and Gittes himself, a detective who can't see what is going on right in front of him as demonstrated by the chinaman joke scene.









These are the only words I have, I'm stuck with them, stuck in them

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Impressive.

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I tend to think it a bit much to see Gittes as overall a bad person. He is rather a flawed everyman sort, and the whole frame of the film's approach is we see the developments of the film both through his eyes at the same time we are seeing him and making his way through the events (which of course is part of the film's brilliance - that is not an easy thing to do and succeed at).

To say he is a terrible detective belies the fact that what we see of his practice suggests he is successful. He has a staff, and we see some of his satisfied customers (like the Burt Young character) over the course of the film. The police he deals with respect him, at least up to a point. We seem him, successfully, make use of certain tricks of the trade.

In fact while I agree the film's basic theme is about misunderstanding, even as it shades into a kind of counterfeiting element where people intentionally seek to appear other than what they are, it is not some simple case of misunderstanding because the protagonist is a dope. No, what make the film more compelling is we see how Gittes's abilities not only carry him only so far, but even more to the point it is his abilities that seem to draw him into a colossal series and increasing depth of misunderstanding. In a way that someone perhaps less capable would not have been, at least not in such a compelling way.

Now to be clear that does not mean a more observant and intelligent detective might have caught on earlier, and that sort of thing. and perhaps there is an element here implying that Gittes was brought into the case because he was perceived as someone who would follow the leads but also misunderstand the situation and the rest. (An example of that in a much more obvious sense would be The Gauntlet with Clint Eastwood, where a police detective was chosen for a job on the expectation he would fail.) But that would have been a different and probably less compelling film.

Rather what makes this film compelling is how we can identify with Gittes, how he uses his craft, how he thinks he is doing the right thing. But then he begins to understand, perhaps too slowly to be sure, what he is up against, and then tries to catch up as it were. Yet he keeps ending up one step or more behind understanding what is going on as it unfolds.

In this sense the film reminds me of the narrative dynamic at work regarding the character Llewellyn Moss in No Country for Old Men. A flawed but still essentially moral character, using what abilities and understanding he had, coming to realize what he was up against, but always one step or more behind really understanding what he was up against.

So I think it an overstatement to say Gittes was incompetent or stupid or anything of the sort.

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Jake Gittes is not necessarily a bad guy, and the OP's title is indeed incorrect.

Jake Gittes isn't necessarily a good guy either. He is simply a person with good intentions.

To say that he is a terrible detective during the film is actually accurate. Not necessarily 100% accurate, but accurate nonetheless. He is only successful at investigating/snooping on cheating spouses and that's it. That's what he is successful at. Anything more is thoroughly undermined by what the film reveals. That's why he is witty and clever in only inconsequential circumstances.

But it's not only the fact that his abilities draw him into an increasing depth of misunderstanding, it's the fact that his abilities draw him into an increasing number of mistakes.

It's also inaccurate to suggest that he realized why he was up against because that only occurs at the very end of the film, cemented with his last words of the film. Had he realized that earlier and heeded his former bosses' advice, he wouldn't have made the additional mistake of confronting Noah Cross, among other mistakes.

Arguably the most accurate description of the flashy and cocksure Jake Gittes' abilities as a detective is ineffective.

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To be sure Gittes's misunderstandings lead to mistakes, and I do not disagree that his lack of awareness continued until the end, when it was resolved albeit in unsatisfactory fashion.

Disagreement here is more a matter of nuance.

ANd I should have mentioned perhaps the best known film where the protagonist was chosen because he was expected to fail at the job he was hired for, which is Vertigo. Heh, obviously.

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The truth is that the "unsatisfactory" resolution in Chinatown is no different than the last time he was there. He neglected his former boss' advice that last time and again during the film, which he confirms by repeating that neglected advice with his last words of the film.

I don't think nuance has much to do with the fact that he is an arrogant, overconfident, racist, and at times, sexist, detective and all of the aforementioned factors cause him to have zero effect on the crime against the city and misread evidence that dooms innocent people.

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*** spoiler alert ***





Either you're missing something or I am.

Did you consider that he called the cops with the idea of giving her a chance to explain? To me, it was clear that Gittes called the cops but wasn't sure if he was going "to turn her in".

Threatened a little? He knows Cross is a killer and his henchman has the gun. At that point, Gittes probably doesn't have a lot of choice in where he is going or leading.

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You're completely wrong on the first point.

Gittes clearly calls to the cops to arrest someone who he thinks is guilty of murder. He was previously given a deadline by the police to have his client turn herself in to authorities (who they think killed her husband) and after he misreads a key piece of evidence which he clearly thinks points to her guilt, he gives the cops her location, essentially foiling her escape plans.

The cops wouldn't believe anything she had to say because the evidence strongly points to her guilt.

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