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Finally got to see this...Wow!


After seeking to see this movie for a long time, but being wary of the dubious quality and often-overpriced copies on eBay, I lucked out when the university I attend screened a 35mm print. The film was definitely worth the wait--it is right up there with Altman's other 70s masterpieces. Elliot Gould has never been finer and George Segal is so great that it made me wonder why he didnt get more leading roles in the course of his career. Definitely recommended for all movie fans, its a must for Altman fans.

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I Definitely agree. Being a huge Altman/Gould fan I went for the blind buy and couldn't be happier. Very few movies are able to capture real life, multi-dimensional characters as effectively as this one. I can't comprehend why this ranking is so low. If you haven't yet, you need to go check this one out.

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I love this movie too. Though I rank it SLIGHLY lower than my favorite Altman/Gould movie (The Long Goodbye, which happens to be one of my favorite movies of all time). The acting here is just phenomenal. Segal was never better, that's for sure. The bar scene that immediately follows the opening fight scene where they talk about the seven dwarves is one of the finest scenes in American cinema EVER.

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Altman let the actors do a lot of ad-libbing, including the famous 7-dwarves scene. Also, the extras were ex-drug users and professional gamblers, adding so much more great atmosphere than hollywood "extras."

Great movie.

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Just spotted this as #1 on a list of best movies ever made about Poker.

1) California Split (1974). Though dated, this is the only movie to ever attempt to show the day to day life of card-playing, sports-betting, sleep-till-noon gamblers. Marred only by a poor ending and muddled sound, Split was directed by Robert Altman (M*A*S*H, Nashville). George Segal & Elliot Gould play Gardena poker players in search of a rush. World Series of Poker champion Amarillo Slim has a featured role.

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I didn't think it was a bad film, but sorry to proverbial on your parade, fellas, I found it quite mediocre! I enjoyed watching it. I especially enjoyed *****spoiler***** watching the mustachioed tosser getting pummelled in the kazi. But what was the end all about? It seemed to just stop.
Sure there are some good dynamic things happenning in the relationship between gould and Segal. But I found that the texture of the film in general seemed to be a little half-baked. If I was to sum up the movie, I would say it was Easy Rider in a casino, with gamblers instead of hippies, and without the tunes.
As for the best poker movie. (I watched this film as one in a season of poker movies) I think The Cincinati Kid is far superior. (I do like Rounders, but it is a flawed movie!).

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Fair enough to your opinion, if you did'nt like it then thats your shout. I must've caught this film maybe 7 years ago and easily put it in my top five all time favorites films ever since.

The context and backdrop may be poker and gambling in general, but the point of the film for me is the human element. Gambling in its very principle is existing in the realm of risk. There's a deep and broad range of emotion in that and it's explored quite beautifully in George Segal's character.

In a nut shell and avoiding spoilers the components that make this such a great film to me are,

The buddy chemistry between Gould and Segal is fantastic. As a vewier you bond right along side them and feel their high's and lows. The drunken revelry and the next morning hangover is a good example. Dialogue has a pace and interraction that defies it to be script written. The ad-libbing skills shown by the two are a real treat. Gould's infectious personality and humour shine here just as they do in M*A*S*H and many of his other films. Altmans setting and backdrop of a then Contemporary Hustling down and out fabric of 1970's america.

I could elaborate and go on, but i really would say that it's best that little is said of the film so that people can happen upon this absolute treasure of a movie compleatly unawares to get the full benefit of it.

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I have to disagree--the ending is one of the most interesting things about California Split. Its ambiguity, the different responses of the two main characters, demonstrates the split between the kind of gambler who is happy to win, one who may be in mostly for the thrill and is therefore excited when winning a huge pot, and the gambler who loves to lose, whose motivation in gambling is a kind of self-punishment, a desire to strip himself down to the lowest point and is therefore paradoxically disappointed when he gets a big win. This kind of gambler is also the focus of The Gambler (with James Caan) an interesting movie though far less so than this one.

I don't like The Cincinnati Kid so much 1.) because Sam Peckinpah was thrown off as director--and I'm sure it would have made a better film; 2.) the poker scenes feel overly stuffy and staged; and 3) those final hands between the Kid and the Man--have you ever seen such things in 5 card stud??! wow! But it does have many interesting features, one being the suprise ending in which (spoiler alert) the Kid in fact loses. We are so set up by typical films to expect the kid to succeed at the end, that the conclusion of CK really proves a surprise--plus it shows the merciliness of trusting your life to cards, since the cards don't give a crap about your winning and losing.

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I too prefer California Split to Cincinnati Kid. Steve Mcqueen is the on ly good thing about that movie, all of the other characters being caricatures. The ending is absurd (of course I am not a world class poker player.) George Segal and Elliot Gould are much more believable and more interesting to boot.

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I agree with you that it's an excellent movie. George Segal and Elliott Gould have a wonderfully easy'n'breezy natural and unaffected chemistry together. Ann Prentis and Gwen Welles are likewise extremely charming as a couple of cheery prostitutes. Plus there are nice bits by Edward Walsh, Bert Remsen, Jeff Goldblum and screenwriter Joseph Walsh. Nice low-key and unobtrusive music and photography, too.

"Warren Oates died for our sins"

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the acting and chemistry between gould and segal was the best thing about the movie and the real poker players and extras. very decent altman flick.

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I put this one in the top five altman films, its one of those you might have to watch a few time to really get into, its best moments are offhand or thrown away almost. segal was at his rumpled best as was gould.

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Great movie. Probably my favorite Altman movie at the moment.

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I too prefer California Split to Cincinnati Kid. Steve Mcqueen is the on ly good thing about that movie, all of the other characters being caricatures. The ending is absurd (of course I am not a world class poker player.) George Segal and Elliot Gould are much more believable and more interesting to boot.
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Some trivia: Robert Altman tried to get Steve McQueen to star in California Split. The Gould role, I would guess. One might thinkg that McQueen wouldn't be into the rambling, shambling improv of "California Split," but he had done something like it for Sam Peckinpah in "Junior Bonner" and "The Getaway" both of gritty 1972, two years before the gritty 1974 of "California Split."

Other trivia: In the movie near the end, Gould is giving Segal a "running commentary" on the players in a poker game that Segal intends to join. Of one of them, Gould says, "He's seen The Cincinnati Kid too many times."

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great film, i saw it recently and got really into it

the ending is fantastic

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this movie had its moments but the ending wasn't fantastic. what i can't understand is how they went to jail after being attacked & robbed ? and the young girl was a prostitute ? what was that about. good to see Slim tho, he was a Poker legend

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