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The DVD is incomplete


Wow...TV shows, I appreciate the need to make cuts to keep costs down. But movies? They edited out quite a bit here...

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews21/california_split_dvd_review.htm

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Sony/Columbia released Altman's film on DVD in 2005 but due to music rights problems they had to remove almost three minutes of footage and make several soundtrack alterations. These include:

A 32-second shot of Bill scat singing while Charlie informs him that "I love to play poker with those redneck fish. Y'now, who think they're Nick the Greek. Love to get 'em steamed. Easy to beat. Suckers."

A scene showing Bill and Charlie at the racetrack that ends as Charlie says "Let's go see a man about a horse" and goes on for eight seconds longer as they walk off singing together.

Bill singing "Happy Birthday to You" to Barbara (Prentis).

As Bill enters the strip club where a poker game is taking place, a basketball-themed cartoon is playing on a television with the song, "Basketball Joe" accompanying it.

Two Phyllis Shotwell songs - "Goin' to Kansas City" and "Me and My Shadow" are played on the soundtrack during Bill and Charlie's journey to Reno and have now been replaced with an instrumental piece.

A scene where Charlie walks away from a poker table while Phyllis Shotwell singing "You're Nobody 'til Somebody Loves You" plays on the soundtrack. This has been replaced with her rendition of "The Lonesome Road."

A scene that showed Phyllis Shotwell behind a piano singing "Georgia On My Mind."


Thank god I still have my old VHS copy with all these scenes intact :)

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I recently bought "California Split" on DVD and also noticed the cuts. Very annoying that they would do that. I still have an uncut VHS copy from Cinemax, from years ago, that I dubbed to DVD a couple of years ago that is more special to me than the damn cut-up version that I paid for on DVD. ----- ----- Rusty


"On screen Winona stands out like a polar bear on black velvet" Timothy Leary about his Goddaughter

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just saw a revival at the theaters, have seen it on dvd a few times and noticed the additional scenes. I liked them, especially william going through the kids room from the strip joint to the poker game, i didn't recall that scene on dvd.

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As for "California Split" being edited, there should be a warning on the DVD box that the movie content is edited. Some people might not want to buy the movie with edits. ----- For example I recently bought the two seasons of the TV series "Bosom Buddies" and the back of the DVD case does have a message "Some music has been changed for this home entertainment version. Some episodes may be edited from their original network versions". ----- Why they would have to edit the shows at all is annoying, but at least CBS Paramount warns you about the editing. ----- ----- Rusty


"On screen Winona stands out like a polar bear on black velvet" Timothy Leary about his Goddaughter

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I just watched the Amazon.com streamed version which contains all these scenes. Maybe they made some new music rights deals now ten years later.

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Don't hold your breath.

I know I'm shouting, I like to shout.

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It's lame that studios are so cheap as not to obtain music rights. If they get to make more money off re-releasing a film in a different format like DVD, then they should be morally bound, if not bound by law, to present the version originally released to the theaters. These alterations should be criminal, in the name of all that is holy.

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Just watched in on Netflix and there were no cuts.

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What the movie loving world needs is for some hero to capture the stream on their computer, turn it into an AVI or DVD files, and put that lovely little thing into a torrent and share it with the universe.

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I saw it on tv last night and all those "cut" scenes were in the movie

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They're in the movie because it was on TV. The original deal when the movie was sold to TV covered the music rights, and early vhs managed to piggyback onto that broadcast deal in the late 70s. The problem comes with DVD rights, which are a whole different game and need to be negotiated again. Often the problem comes from the original rights holder, who thinks there's big money to be made off this negotiation, demands something ridiculous like a million dollars for the music rights, and winds up screwing themselves. This happened with "The President's Analyst". When the music rights for laserdisc were renegotiated, Barry McGuire demanded such a huge sum for his music that the disc was released with new music. By the time dvd came around, McGuire realized the error of his ways, and sold the music rights for dvd at a reasonable rate.

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It shows up from time to time on Scandinavian TCM; without the cuts and in scope. I also think the soundtrack is in stereo.

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Having seen the film many times in theatres it is quite a shock to notice how completely the movie is ruined by the music cuts. The whole second half loses its carefully edited rhythm (Phyllis Shotwell, who had several scenes, is seen in one shot only) and feels very monotonous. This was the best of Altman's use of song score, and one of Altman's very best films, but not on this DVD. The Japanese DVD, by the way, is also cut. The commentary track, with writer-actor Joseph Walsh included, is very informative (most of the stuff is based on Walsh's own experiences). The commentators also speak about the music and clever editing of a certain scene without realizing that Columbia/Sony will cut it, but the commentary is basically the only reason to own the DVD.

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neziah22 wrote:
"I just saw a version and with no cuts."
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Yeah? How about some more detail?

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neziah22 wrote:
"They cut out the part you mentioned where the guy shaves his pubic hair."
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Did they also cut the scene showing Joseph Walsh jacking off to the song Life's Been Good?

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which contained an additional 24 seconds of footage showing Barbara opening the door and finding 'Mr Tenor' singing 'Happy Birthday To You'. Bill and Charlie then appeared and joined him in the song (while Barbara insisted "It's not my birthday").


They couldnt afford 'Happy Birthday'? Jeeesh (great film regardless....losing basketball jones song hurts tho, it had a great atmospheric touch)

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