the ultimate sam peckinpah film


it kinda is. it's got everything he does well in it. it's personal, tender, violent and crazed. you can like other films of his more but i think this film deserves that title.

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Perhaps you're right that this movie is most definitively illustrative of Peckinpah, but, although I love BTH of Alfredo Garcia, I think that The Wild Bunch & Straw Dogs are better movies.

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It also has humour! You don't get any more absurd fun than watching Benny looking around for some ice to chill Alfredo's head!

A splendid movie, which I think is Peckinpah's best.

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It's a western, a romance, an action movie, a horror film, a road movie, a revenge story, a black comedy and a tragedy all rolled into one. There's so much going on in this picture, and even if the screenwriter asserts that he was writing in a faux "Peckinpah doing Peckinpah" style - hitting all the usual standards - this is, to me, the quintessential Sam movie. Hitting his favorite themes of honor, burning out, redemption, infidelity, the loser's last grasp for the big brass ring.

It doesn't have the tight technique of The Wild Bunch or the precision of craft that made The Getaway a cut above, but this one is RAW. And it revels in it. Yet it's completely endearing. It's the only believable love story I've seen Peckinpah put on film, discounting the old fraternal love between cowboys. You really feel for Benny when he comes to in that shallow grave to find himself stripped away of EVERYTHING.

An incredibly personal saga, it's an odyssey through Peckinpah himself and is essential in understanding his genius as a pure storyteller.

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It is definitely his best and the only one that he considered wholly his own creation.

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Agreed, while it may not be his best film, its definitely his most personal. Fer Christs sake Warren Oates practically IS Peckinpah in this!!

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some can argue how other films of his are tighter or whatever but i get more out of this film then his other films.

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How about the scene where the gay hit man elbows that woman?! That was shocking AND hilarious!

Ebert's love of this movie really surprises me. Then again, he's a critic I often agree with...his dismissals of David Lynch, Theo Angelopoulous, and a few others aside.

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I usually pass on Peckinpah. Don't hate him; just doesn't thrill me so why take all the violence. But I love this one. The "multicultural" aspect is a definite plus for me!

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This is one of those terms that people seem to like to throw around with fairly little justification, after which it sticks. I guess because Peckinpah's films are very violent and overtly masculine and sometimes feature violence towards women. Of course, they're not instructional films. It's supposed to be bad. The mother of Garcia's child is wronged at the beginning of the movie, but ultimately comes out on top.
Maybe the depiction of Elita, who cheats on Bennie, gives him crabs and tries to block him achieving his goal. At one point she tells Bennie he doesn't understand "a woman's ways," which could be interpreted as saying women are illogical, but might just be Peckinpah admitting his own shortcoming. How can a male Director or Screenwriter accurately depict female characters anyways? The one thing that intrigued me was that it seemed like she saw something in Kristofferson's biker character, and even seemed drawn to him after Bennie shot him. But all of these things just seem to point to Peckinpah having issues with women, and hardly justification for calling someone "deeply misogynistic." Ultimately, the relationship between Bennie and Elita is the one ray of light in a very dark movie. I think a lot of people just read something like this and think that parroting it makes them sound smart.

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I agree with how Elvis Mitchell phrased it:
'it really is, like, 'Bring Me the Diseased Soul of Sam Peckinpah'...
is it good? is it bad? I don't know. But I do know that it's a genuine work of art.'

no one else could have made this film...



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Great comments throughout this thread...
...especially the one posted by Dr. FreudFunkenstein.

This and "The Wild Bunch" are my favorite Peckinpah films...this one hitting me in ways few films ever have...the other a monument of incredible film making.

Oates should have been nominated for this.




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ALFREDO GARCIA is definitly Peckinpah's darkest and most nihilistic movie and it is more than a small wonder it ever got made and distributed unbutchered.

Maybe the executives back then just didn't get it, that although there is no killing in more than half of the movie (the first killings are the ones of Kris Kristofferson and buddies, when they attempt to rape Warren Oates' girlfriend), this is also IMHO Peckinpah's most violent movie.

As another commentor points out, this is just pure RAW in the way violence is shown, stripped of all it's usual Hollywood-glory, and this is exactly what makes ALFERDO GARCIA such a special movie (I do not know any other 70ies US-movie, which is compareably dark and nihilistic).

Packinpah has given us a string of absolutely wonderful and virile movies, which makes it tough to say, this or that is his best, but for me ALFERDO is his purest and most personal, so even if I rate WILD BUNCH, STRAW DOGS, GETAWAY and JUNIOR BONNER all 10 out of 10, I am tempted to give ALFREDO GARCIA 10,1 ... :-)

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