HOW was her husband abusive/mean?


It never showed that. Him not clicking with her because he's depressed or tired of life doesn't mean he was 'abusive'. He never even raised his voice to her. And Tommy deserved that slap for putting salt in the sugar, more than did when Kris tapped him. That's not abuse in the real world.

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In terms of old school parenting, or rather, the 80's and before, especially in blue-collar households, that was perfectly acceptable! Tommy was a little *beep* that needed an ass beating!

In today's world, you'd have kids threatening to call the cops just for their parents yelling at them!

And hate to say this, but many high maintenance women tend to think a man that doesn't constantly shower them with attention IS abusive!

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I've heard women describe themselves as 'neglected' or 'ignored' by inattentive husbands...but never 'abused'.

Do you have a lot of experience with 'high maintenance' women, or know men who claim their wives 'tend to think' that way?

I only ask because you started your last sentence with "Hate to say this..."

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If you have kids, they should leave you as quickly as they can. If you're in a relationship with someone, she should kick your cowardly ass to the curb like a bag of garbage.

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I don't think the movie ever said her husband was abusive or mean. (Now Harvey Keitel character, HE was abusive!) She even says, "he's not mean, he's just... he's just... loud." Or something to that effect. He wasn't happy. She wasn't happy. (I'm guessing they probably got married bc she was pregnant.) His unhappiness manifested in yelling out of probably frustration. Her unhappiness manifested in crying. It's very normal, esp. of the times.

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Oh God! He swatted the kid with a cloth napkin! ABUSE!!!

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He would have hit the kid if he hadn't run away. And then he had the nerve to blame the kid's behavior on Alice. The husband was an ass.

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I don't think he was either. He was inattentive, hard to reach, closed-off. But when she started to cry in bed, he looked devastated. That one expression said so much about his character.

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I agree. I think he was no different from a lot of dads of that era, but I'd hardly call him abusive. And yes, his expression when Alice starts to cry in bed really says a lot.

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I thought the husband came off as very mean. But I'm from a different generation before society went insane.

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I never got mean off him. Exhausted and unhappy -- but not necessarily with his wife and kid. I'm sure he thought he would be doing better things than driving a Coke truck for the rest of his (short) life -- just as Alice thought her singing would carry her onto bigger and better things.

And yes, the kid was a brat. You can't tell me he did not know the salt in his Dad's coffee was not going to make him angry.

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' thought the husband came off as very mean. But I'm from a different generation before society went insane.'
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Society had mean husbands/fathers now and then. Your father/husband sounds nifty, if you consider Alice's husband mean. He was cold/indifferent, and just not into anything, it seemed. I don't know, is that being mean?

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And Tommy deserved that slap for putting salt in the sugar

No he didn't, it was a harmless prank. Your username is apt because you're quite simpleminded.

And the husband was probably abusive. We don't see it onscreen, but why else would Alice have been scared of him? At the very least, he was a chauvinistic, self-centered, authoritarian prick, but the fact that Alice was afraid of him would be a huge red flag for anyone with experience dealing with victims of domestic violence.

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